Anti-Semitic Rallies

Ignite or ignore: How should we respond?

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(138) Anonymous, May 18, 2014 9:51 PM

publicity

Let us not take the bait. All this group wants is to hurt and be on the news. Ignore them.

(137) Herbert Lazarus, November 30, 2011 10:32 PM

Ignore them

I agree with you Rabbi Salomon

(136) Darrell, March 14, 2011 1:58 AM

strength yet restraint

I'm not Jewish but PRO ISRAEL I am Russian and the community in my city is 50% Russian Jews and non Jews, we all get along and embrace our beliefs as the commonality of the one true G-D being that of all Christians. Israel is strongest in my opinion when it shows strength. To ignore them would give them a feeling of strength that they beat the Jews, but if 10,000 showed up and were peaceful in celebration of being Jewish that would cause them to act in a way I hope all would find unacceptable and take away from any gain they think might be achieved with this plan. Yes it is hard as Eva has posted but I think inaction will just make for a belief that they have won.

(135) Anonymous, October 31, 2010 12:46 PM

Your opinion allowed the murder of 6 million Jews

Standing around and hoping for change doesn't make change. The media is in protesting of them. You have a much skewed view and you should be ashamed of yourself. If for some reason one of these Jew haters see this standing up to their opinion and were to change their view and opinion, that would be the mitzvah. You are the real enemy of us Jews with this stance.

Tanya, January 28, 2013 4:36 PM

I am absolutely agree with 135 Anonymous reply on your article

Jewish people don't have to stay and wait when they are humiliated and insulted.They suffered enough! This timid and stupid attitude is a bad advice -we have to fight Antisemitism any possible way,but not to shoe them that we again at their mercy.This position is simply criminal,and eventually will led to the next Holokost !Never again!

(134) betty, October 27, 2010 8:10 PM

Are we Jews still the "canaries" of the world?

I was born in 1933...What could we jews have done to call attention then to our plight ? Does the world really care? Israel has shown the world that the jews are warriors as well as people of the book...Is this the time for American Jews to also be warriors? On the other hand, the courts have to take a stand with these crazies because their "rights" lose their meaning when it causes others to suffer, such as the families of our fallen heros. Being politically correct can be a bigger problem for us than for other s...ACLU be damned.

(133) Aliza, October 25, 2010 4:54 PM

a high school fought back

I can't find the article at the moment - frustrating. This nutjob group came to a highschool somewhere because the school had just done or said something to support gay students (apparently, the wingnuts don't just hate Jews). The school got wind of this, and organized a day of response. There was no protest, no name calling. The students - supported by the school - held information sessions, sang songs, hung banners, made speeches, did anything that would overwhelm and drown out the (very small & insignificant) "protestors." I thought that was a beautiful way to stand up to these disgusting hatemongerers. The students stood united, and *they* got the media attention. The nutters got a quick flash on the screen, that was it. The reporters focused on these amazing kids who banded together to show support for something they believed in. Get people together to daven and learn torah and talk about Judaism where the nutjobs are supposed to show up. DO NOT ENGAGE them. Ignore them and go about showing what Judaism is and means. Get as many people as possible, Jew and non-Jew. Talk to the media and get them to focus on the good thing coming out of the "protest." Ignore it, and they will never go away. Confront them, and they will just get stronger. Rebuke them with strength and unity, and they are just flies on the windshield.

chaya, December 18, 2011 3:33 AM

Very well said Aliza!

(132) Annie, October 25, 2010 1:47 AM

sometimes we win, sometimes we lose

what do I think? well, I think in the eyes of the general histeria or the commoners we're damned when we do, damned when we don't but then there are those quiet peering eyes, lips and ears... watching us.... so we better stay on our toes, keep our eyes and ears open and be careful what comes out of our lips, because the day we become apathetic is the day the world is going gives us their hell The world was created for the jews; the goyim were created to reminds us of our tikum they are the manifestation of the state we are in We need to get it together, together! FAST.

(131) eva, October 19, 2010 12:37 AM

It makes no difference

Unfortunately, when it comes to Jews, we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. Just look at what happened in Israel with that "flotilla", they behaved with the utmost restraint and decency, and what did they get for it? The whole world jumped all over Israel, yet had no problem with the violent flottilla members. The Jews can never win in the eyes of the world, until Moshiach comes and reveals the truth.

(130) Anonymous, October 18, 2010 5:16 PM

Being undivided keeps them away

We can't combat them with our emotions. No good, will look just as bad as they appear in the eyes of others. Even if this group opposes some things that are in truth what the Torah says is against G-d's will, this group in the way they are doing it, with hate, in attempt to breed hate. That in proportion, is their goal? We may agree with some of what they oppose, but not the style they have chosen. If they are speaking out against Jews that are bowing their knee to an idol, this group is signifying ALL Jews by leaving out that message, which in turn will breed HATE to ALL Jews. The world will perceive the anti-semitic with the words they use on their signs, giving opportunity for others to join in toward ALL Jews broader than the Jews they are protesting against. Also this group thinks only those Jews who join their religion will be saved, 144,000; another anti-semitic sentiments against Jews who believe differently than they do, showing intolerance towards other people beliefs on the grounds of similar ideology of the Inquisition. (join or die) This group has been around for awhile, even without media attention. Four years ago, when a fallen soldier return to our town for his funeral, there was a chance they were going to show up, the town prepared for it in case they did, however, they did not show up. We wouldn't of tolerated it. Our town may be divided whether we should be in war, however, when it comes to OUR SOLDIERS, we are not divided. This group probable finds this kind of thing out, before proceeding to an area to protest.

(129) tammy, October 17, 2010 11:45 PM

WHAT ???

# 126 What did you say ? English please. : )

(128) Jew in Memphis, October 17, 2010 10:56 PM

It's a balancing act

I agree with FR. Who knows when one of these ignorant people could turn into the next Hitler? I think Jewish people need to educate the world more on who we are and what are beliefs are. I guarantee you most of these people who say they hate Jews....do not even really know who or what a Jew is. I bet one of there favorite musicians, actor/actresses or inventors is a Jew. While we do not need to behave like uneducated idiots, we do not need to close our ears or shut our eyes, we need to be careful. If we need to protect ourselves, them by any means necessary. Until then, let's hope they can get educated.

(127) mysteries, October 16, 2010 6:22 PM

It is hard for one to say with proof that a certain group of beings are nor liked by something else both as far as is understood with emotional capacities. That thing that gives a statement like so has not taken the mindset of something else into confidence. Any evidence that are used are not primary evidence. If something is giving its own style then it is from its own properties and characteristics and not in what it appears to be showing. Making fuss that causes disorder that in turn takes time to deal with and incurs costs is a loss. Capital is generated with effort and is not to be diminished by emotions.

(126) F R, October 15, 2010 6:38 PM

The main reason why I thought of what I mentioned below, is b/c I feel neither of the remaining silent, nor fighting back would be an appropriate response... Reason being: A- Although this group is pathetic, Hitler was certainly too when he started off, right? Therefore I feel that some counteraction IS necessary, and we should not just remain silent. B- However, protesting back has the potential to do more harm than good. Our main concern is obviously not this pathetic group, it's really about the mainstream society's attitude towards us. I feel that if we do the rally thing, and this gets in the media, we have good reason to fear that we will not get portayed in a good light, as well as giving this group exactly what they wanted... So if we respond in an unexpected way, this might get coverage, because it'll be interesting... However, we'll have used this opportunity to show the worrld who we really are!

(125) F R, October 15, 2010 5:52 PM

Here's another idea: We come out and greet them with kindness, offer them food and drink etc... Show them some nice traditions in our religion... Totally shock them and throw them off... Who knows if it would even change their feelings towards us? Well if doesn't, it would be a kind of cool answer to their hatred... Show them all who we really are! We are are good people and not weak and intimidated easily... And most importantly, if this gets on the media, I think this might be a real kiddush Hashem! Just an idea... Does anyone think this would be practical?

(124) Art Pearl, October 15, 2010 4:03 PM

Ignore them

Do not give them media attention. If you pass them by I would greet them with Shalom (peace be with you) and immediately cont. on my way.

(123) , October 15, 2010 3:57 PM

God Loves Everyone

Peace signs saying God loves everyone, even you.. or just "God Cares for you" "He loves Everyone" but not when there in town, just before and after they arrive..we want peace always..not stir up any unwanted unessesary contentions or crazy things..blessings love and peace Catherine

(122) sylvia, October 15, 2010 1:41 PM

agree with you for this particular sitution, upto a point

trust everyone by knowing who you are dealing with, then take appropriate action at the right time, which is Hashem's timing, which we can know by Ruach ha Kodesh. Often there is intervention at the 11th hour like a testing of our faith

(121) Ionah Estevez - Breton, October 14, 2010 11:11 PM

Being strong doesn´t mean reacting always

Being strong requires only reacting when the potential attack is big enough to make it worth. Reacting against little threats may actually make you look weak, specially to the public eye. It takes special strength to inhibit one´s power when needed. And ... don´t let this guys obtain free publicity.

(120) Anonymous, October 14, 2010 6:14 PM

there was silence in Germany too!

rational people assume ignoring them is the best way to go..understandable....but, history has proved this does not work.....a strong jewish force is something for them to ponder, and think twice........

(119) Anonymous, October 14, 2010 2:18 PM

Be vigilant and pay attention to them, but if you ignore them, you do so at your peril. If you protest, do so in such a way to show them for the bigots that they are.

(118) Anonymous, October 14, 2010 4:15 AM

As I read the comments, I am reminded of a story I read long ago about an elderly Jewish couple who was being phoned at all hours of the day and night. These calls were frightening, ugly, threatening, made by the same angry, ignorant person and made no sense to the couple. Why they? One day, the husband decided to change his reaction to the caller, and instead of showing the usual fear and intimidation these unwanted calls gave him, he invited the caller to his home for dinner. The caller was stunned to receive such an invitation, but he did come. Not once, but many times. During these many meetings, the couple provided him with validation of his pain.... pain from his being unable to earn what he thought he should be earning, pain from his not having a proper higher education, pain from his lack of personal friends, etc. Before each meal, the elderly hosts said a prayer, thanking God for bringing this young man into their lives and asking God to take care of him by showing him a better way. The food was good, and the calm conversations of anything under the sun encouraged by the hosts brought a change. Gradually, by their behaviour towards the man, they convinced him of the inappropriateness of his behavior against them, they found a common ground, and it wasn't long before he had changed his attitude towards the elderly couple. They did become friends, with the elderly couple looking after him as if he were their son, and he looking after them as if they were his grandparents. This story was written by the husband, who stated that sometimes one must show another how to "be". In another story, Julie of the Wolves, I read this line: "If you are afraid, it is because you are doing something wrong. Change what you are doing."

(117) Anonymous, October 14, 2010 4:12 AM

Inability to love and be rational...

It is a profound shame that those ant-semitic groups attemp to deprive the Jewish people of gratitude and appreciation for all those moments that enrich their very existence. Why to sow and wrap humanity with this hate against the Jewish people??

(116) Anonymous, October 14, 2010 1:09 AM

Who will be next?

I saw a clip where they were protesting outside of a building in Brooklyn. No one was walking by them. My first response was to think what was needed was to counter protest. It's hard not to want to. Commenters have some great ideas how to do this. They have protested all kinds of things, strange they haven't protested outside of any Mosque. Maybe they will be the next target of their protesting. If not, than we really need to question it. Each person needs to decide how to respond if they are where you are at. They don't strike twice, so they are probable done at Brooklyn now since they have been there this week already. When dealing with people we do have to be prudent. Seeing their signs it's really hard to ignore this. Knowing it's what the Nazis used in their propaganda.

(115) Nancy, October 13, 2010 11:15 PM

Do something!

The only thing needed for evil to proliferate is for good men to do nothing.....Need I say more!

(114) Anonymous, October 13, 2010 10:19 PM

So who are these people? Are they biker gangs, school kids, religious groups. Are they some political party? You did not tell us who they are. You consider one way for biker gangs and another way for school kids.

(113) Anonymous, October 13, 2010 10:13 PM

Degradation

I dont like to be degraded as a Jew!! I am a Jewish blonde, fair and blue eyed woman, and peple do not realise I am Jewish often, and people come out with misinformed comments, usually derogatory about Jes and Israel, and when I defend us, they get the shock of their lives, and most times, they have a turn around in opinion after my repartees, so go for it, defend our integrity, in a non violent way.

(112) Anonymous, October 13, 2010 8:38 PM

what do we gain

I think that the question should be, as a community or as individual jew what do we gain? more self estime if we show that we are not indifferent. But what if we look at it in another angle, Is there a kidush Hashem in protesting or rather the kidush Hashem is ignoring. In other word what the tora want from us ? this is a question for a Rabbi and the answer may be different in each case...A rav from London used to say that when you hear someone insulting the jews make sure to thank him because he is merely reminding you that you are in exile.

(111) Shoshana-Dvora, October 13, 2010 8:13 PM

response to anti Semites

I support demonstrating and rsponding to anti Semites...as long as there are no children present. Let the children enter their schools, and then respond. If things get violent, at least the kids are safe.

(110) Jack Strong, October 13, 2010 7:24 PM

JOIN THEM!!

Make placards and signs to be carried. Put Nazi symbols on the placards and all sorts of symbols of hate; however, make it clear that you are really not a believer in that foolishness. Mix in with the small group looking for media attention. Then, that small hate group will be seen for what they are.

(109) Anonymous, October 13, 2010 7:13 PM

anti semite demonstrations

Ignore them. They want publicity and followers. If they are ignored often enough they will go away. Problem is the media picks up on everything bad as well as bood.

(108) Anonymous, October 13, 2010 7:04 PM

Ignore these groups

As long as they are not hurting anyone or destroying property, I suggest the proactive response of No RESPONSE. Do not give them Energy! Not even one bit

(107) Mitzi, October 13, 2010 6:56 PM

Depends on who's doing it.

If it's a fringe group, it would be wonderful if a "mainstream" Christian group would be there with the placards. Or perhaps, with a Jewish group, picket there place of worship. If it's a more nefarious group, it should be put out there that bullies have no place in this society. Again, it would be wonderful to have some mainstream Christian groups standing with us. And it should be put out there that they are bullies! Neither group can be ignored if there is press around.

(106) Mark Alan, October 13, 2010 6:28 PM

Man Was not Created Jewish

I believe we are all missing the point here. Torah states that man was created in the image of God, and nobody can prove that God is Jewish. Even the very concept is totally absurd. Man's problem is with the sovereignty of God, and the Jewish people in general, and the nation of Israel in particular, are constant reminders to the unbelieving and unsubmissive world, of the existence and authority of the Creator! Anti-Semitism is merely a symptom of the real problem--man's rebellion against God Himself--demonstrated by his inclination to worship himself as a God, thereby usurping the place of God, just as the story of man's creation and man's disobedience proves. It only follows that if you hate God for any reason, then you will hate anyone or anything that reminds you of God, and you cannot say you love God, and still hate what God loves.

(105) Anonymous, October 13, 2010 6:23 PM

LET'S NOT LET FIRE SPREAD

(68) Anonymous, October 12, 2010 ignore Leave a fire unattended, it will go out. Ignore them. OR, IT WILL IGNITE SOMETHING NEAR IT, AND BURN EVERYTHING IN IT'S PATH

(104) Anonymous, October 13, 2010 6:15 PM

Cannot Ignore them

I like the approach of Meyer Lansky, and his men the best. We need another Rabbi Kahane. I recently heard former mayor Guilliani say ' The only thing a bully understands is a greater show of power". Like it or not, these bums need to be confronted. who is not proud of the heroes of the Warsaw Ghetto upirising ? Why, because they fought back. If these bums had their way, we would be in ghettos today. They do not want to be confronted with force. They want to spread fear without consequence.

(103) lowell fletcher, October 13, 2010 5:16 PM

turning darkness into light

we deal with these people in kansas all of the time. at our shul's, schools, a bake sale, whirly ball, they will protest anywhere and everywhere. the most creative and productive counter measure i have seen is when people turn the phelp's peoples demo's into fundraisers. you get a number of philanthropic people to agree that for each minute, or hour that the people stand their and protest something, the good guys will donate money to that cause. so, if they come to your yeshiva, get someone to commit to donating money for each minute, or each person they have protesting. that way, for each person they get to show up, and for every minute they stand there in hate, they know they are raising funds against themselves. they came to hurt you but instead they help you; you wanted to counter them and you succeeded (without violence or hatred). seize your chance to do tikun olam, bring light from darkness.

(102) Allan, October 13, 2010 4:31 PM

Different times

#'s 98 and 99 both are well known stories from a different time in America. We now live in society that has given rights to any and all voices including those who hate. We are also in a world where news moves quickly. That said I would think that most people would love to go to any of these lunatics gatherings and bash their heads in...but the law in 2010 won't allow us the luxury of doing that. I say that in the case of them demonstrating in Jewish areas they should be ignored. Deprive them of what they want the most... big coverage by the media and attention to their sick agenda's. As for their protests at military funerals...I hope the Supreme Court has the guts to shut them down...they have taken so called free speech to a sick new level and need to be stopped.

(101) J Klein, October 13, 2010 4:23 PM

Ignore them

Hold a community meeting beforehand and encourage everyone not to attend the rally. If someone threw a rally and no-one showed up, would it be a rally? More people showing up make the event newsworthy and that is what this wacko group wants. Deny them their big media. Ignoring them will waste their time and money. Make sure no one approaches them to engage them in discussion. Their story is a tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

(100) Anonymous, October 13, 2010 4:03 PM

venomous group with self-importance who spew antisemitic garbage

I do not believe that this group will go away without or with attention. I agree that for now ignoring them is ok. However, they should be monitored. Ignoring antisemitism does not work either. The time may come to confront these people.

(99) TedH, October 13, 2010 3:07 PM

respond to the rallies

Historian Robert Rockaway, writing in the journal of the American Jewish Historical Society, notes that German-American Bund rallies in the New York City area posed a dilemma for mainstream Jewish leaders. They wanted the rallies stopped, but had no legal grounds on which to do so. New York State Judge Nathan Perlman personally contacted Meyer Lansky to ask him to disrupt the Bund rallies, with the proviso that Lansky's henchmen stop short of killing any Bundists. Enthusiastic for the assignment, if disappointed by the restraints, Lansky accepted all of Perlman's terms except one: he would take no money for the work. Lansky later observed, "I was a Jew and felt for those Jews in Europe who were suffering. They were my brothers." For months Lansky's workmen effectively broke up one Nazi rally after another. As Rockaway notes, "Nazi arms, legs and ribs were broken and skull s were cracked, but no one died." Lansky recalled breaking up a Brown Shirt rally in the Yorkville section of Manhattan: "The stage was decorated with a swastika and a picture of Hitler. The speakers started ranting. There were only fifteen of us, but we went into action. We threw some of them out the windows . Most of the Nazis panicked and ran out. We chased them and beat them up. We wanted to show them that Jews would not always sit back and accept insults." need I say more

(98) Ted H, October 13, 2010 2:51 PM

past Jewish responses

Before WWII In Minneapolis, William Dudley Pelley organized a Silver Shirt Legion to "rescue" America from an imaginary Jewish-Communist conspiracy. In Pelle's own words, just as "Mussolini and his Black Shirts saved Italy and as Hitler and his Brown Shirts saved Germany," he would save America from Jewish communists. Minneapolis gambling czar David Berman confronted Pelley's Silver Shirts on behalf of the Minneapolis Jewish community. Berman learned that Silver Shirts were mounting a rally at Lodge. When the Nazi leader called for all the "Jew bastards" in the city to be expelled, or worse, Berman and his associates burst in to the room and started cracking heads. After ten minutes, they had emptied the hall. His suit covered in blood, Berman took the microphone and announced, "This is a warning. Anybody who says anything against Jews gets the same treatment. Only next time it will be worse." After Berman broke up two more rallies, there were no more public Silver Shirt meetings in Minneapolis. Need I say more?

(97) Anne, October 13, 2010 1:27 PM

Option 2

These folks are powerless annoying little gnats...unless you give them the power to move 10.000 Jews out onto the street in protest. Ignore them.

(96) Marc S. Cohen, October 13, 2010 1:16 PM

Take out the baseball bats

I am 60 years old. When I was young we have beat them up. Too many Jewish kids today refuse to fight.

(95) Jules, October 13, 2010 10:47 AM

How to handle antisemetism

In the 1930's antisemitism was mostly ignored. Look what it gained: horror for the Jews. Yes, we should meet them on the streets and be prepared to show their evil and cowardice. Also, make them promise they won't use Jewish discoveries in medicine and science that have saved millions of lives

(94) Matityahu, October 13, 2010 6:11 AM

Use the media to OUR advantate

When a J4J type group stands in front of the Jewish Community Center, I do something peaceful but extremely hateful to them...so hateful to them that they threaten to call the cops. (Which I gladly demand they do and which they choose not to because they are in front of the JCC) What do I do? I say this over and over again all the while they are there. Say the capitalized words louder: "Your false god testifies to me that none of you are truly xtian: he said, "Not everyone who calls me lord, lord, will enter the kingdom of the heavens but he who DOES, UNDERLINE THE WORD 'DOES,' the will of my father in the heavens. Many will say in that day, (which xtians interpret as the day of judgment), 'Didn't we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons, and in your name perform miracles?' And I will say to them, 'I NEVER, UNDERLINE THE WORD 'NEVER' knew you, Depart from me, you who work without TORAH.' Matthew seven verses twenty-one through verse 23, refer Liddell and Scott's Greek Lexicon!" Like I said, I say this over and over again. Imagine a whole crowd of Jews standing in front of them and saying together this over and over again while IGNORING them. This shows our own strength all the while also ignoring them, teaching that Torah is forever, and that they are not xtians and are not following thier own false god. Peaceful indeed and the media covers it and the world learns the passage too.

(93) Izzy H, October 13, 2010 5:05 AM

ignoring is self defeating

In the 1880's pogroms were being perpetrated by one cheml***** his thugs were doing with clubs, knives and guns. His garbage traveled by horse and trains. They were heading to a shtetle called Berdichev. when Jews heard they were on the way to their town the rabbis would go to the synagogue with their congregations to say tehilim, the murderers would nail the doors shut and set fire. The Berdichever Rabbi called his Kehilah together and told them to arm themselves with whatever weapons they could find and meet the animals at the train station to defend themselves and the town. When cheml***** heard about this he said Berdichev is a small insignificant town and passed it by. The Berdichever rebbe and the Jews did not suffer one casualty. That was one of the best lessons taught by Yitzchok Levi, the Berdichever Rebbe. A lesson to be learned!!

(92) Anonymous, October 13, 2010 4:35 AM

Damned if we do; damned if we don't.

I'm seventy-nine years old, and have seen that such demonstrations of hatred tend to come in waves. I grew up with "Christ-Killer" being yelled at me. My parents said we should ignore it; that they were stupid, ignorant people, jealous of our successes; that we should strive to succeed to "prove them wrong." The Shoah gave Am Israel an all-too-brief respite. In the face of the Six Million, even the crudest anti-semite was ashamed to be overt about his hatred. Then came the State of Israel; that brave, new little country, rising like a phoenix out of the ashes. We were David, defending our very existence against an enemy Goliath determined to destroy the newborn Jewish state in their midst. There was even grudging admiration for our courage and achievements. But time has passed and Israel's shining image has tarnished. The underlying, pervasive anti-semitism has risen to the surface like scum, and cloaked itself in a new name - "anti-Zionism." I'm an old lady and depend on my grey hair and wrinkles to defend my big mouth. I no longer take any 'you know what" from anyone, and speak my mind. So far I've received no more than a few ugly comments, but to someone who, as a child, was called "Christ-Killer" and chased with stones, they are nothing. To quote my father, Ii "consider the source." I do, however, feel that we should be heard, but that our responses should be characterized by restraint, and by good sense. We should, by our behavior and even by our appearance, combat the xenophobia that is one of the roots of their hatred. Yes, speak up, but calmly and with facts not fury. At best, we will persuade. At least we will feel better about ourselves.

(91) Yochanan, October 13, 2010 3:46 AM

Option 1

All I have to say is never again! I will not be a sheep led to the slaughter. When this type of hatred is allowed to be spoken; it will spread. Let us let the world know that we are not going to go silently into the night any longer. Rage, rage against the night....

(90) Daniel Joseph, October 13, 2010 3:24 AM

westboro church of Topeka

This fringe group came to Evanston, Illinois on erev Rosh Hasanah and were ignored by everyone including the media. and police. They left quickly

(89) Anonymous, October 13, 2010 1:50 AM

When the people in Skokie, Illinois, many of whom were survivors of deadly hate during WWII, were threatened with a march in their community by neo-nazis... the people of Skokie showed up with baseball bats, tire irons and anything else they could get their hands on. The neo-nazis found out and did not show up. We must always show strength and a willingness to FIGHT BACK. I firmly believe this. These groups can grow and I do not want history repeating. It is not that long ago that for no other reason than being a Jewish person could get you killed, I see that not much has changed. We must always remember... Remember so that the little groups don't amass into huge groups. I am fighting my own battles where I live all by myself. I am hyper vigilant and hyper protective because it is a way of life that I have had to design in order to survive. I would like to be able to live my life instead of just surviving it.

(88) chsw, October 13, 2010 1:21 AM

Where are they supposed to march?

Before this group shows up in front of the yeshivot, please turn the fire hydrants on so they blast into the announced protest path. Remind the police that the group must remain on the protest path in their permit (if they have a permit). Alternately, if the yeshivot have some landscaping that must be sprinklered and those sprinklers kind of cover the protest path, them shrubs look kind of dry, don't they?

(87) Bette Brottman, October 13, 2010 1:12 AM

Demonstrate! Strength, Unity,Courage and Love of Hash'm!

Our humility is often misconstrued as weakness. It is time to demonstrate in no uncertain terms that we Jews will stand united for our G-d and our bretheren, throughout the world. If we don't stand for something, we will fall for anything!

(86) MICHAEL G, October 13, 2010 1:07 AM

CONTACT JDL

MEET THESE ANTI SEMETIC SOBs HEAD ON..GERMAN JEWS AND THE WORLD IGNORED NAZI MOVEMENT AND IT ESCALATED. SOMETIMES THESE IGNORANT PEOPLE HAVE TO BE REACHED AT THEIR BASE MENTALITY LEVEL..IN ORDER FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND.

(85) Anon, October 13, 2010 1:04 AM

If I am not for myself, who will be for me?

You know how the saying goes... if not now when? It's time. Recently a customer called the previous customer I had helped " a hillbilly jew" because he had asked for a discount. I said with a big smile and politely... I didn't think the man was jewish , but I in fact was jewish and I've been know to look for good deals too.Letting him know what he said wasn't appropriate. We need stand up and try to influence the world around us.

(84) Lorenzo Medina, October 13, 2010 12:59 AM

scripture has final word

Prov. 25:21If your hater is hungry,give him bread to eat; and if he is thirsty,give him water to drink; 22for you shall heap coals on his head; and HaShem shall reward you.

(83) Yosef Stern, October 13, 2010 12:54 AM

Do Tshuva

My Rebbe;Rabbi Avigdor Miller,always said that this is a sign from Hashem to do Tshuva(repent) and behave like Yidden

(82) Anonymous, October 13, 2010 12:42 AM

look what silence got us in the 1940's

these people sicken me and i would like to ignore them and not give them the coverage that they crave, however so many peolpe ignored what was happening with the holocaust and look what that got us. there is too much actual and emerging anti semitism in the world today. but silence is not the answer,

(81) sima skarica, October 13, 2010 12:33 AM

bring them on. I would write a prolific letter to the New York Times to make a mockery of them, and dispute their nonsense and irrational hatred of Jews i still feel i need to protest, given the history of the Jewish People and that MY ENTIRE FAMILY

Read above

(80) Natalie Roberts, October 13, 2010 12:31 AM

Suppose they give a rally and no one comes! Ignore.

Since these people want publicity let's not give it to them. Let the media come and picture them rallying to empty streets. Everyone should be advised to stay indoors and away from their rallies. The news media will not be interested unless there are opposing views shouted at each other and angry faces to photograph. You get nowhere with that kind of reaction. They are so terrible to interrupt military funerals. What a group. Let's not give them any opportunity to add to their ranks. BESIDES, WE NEED TO CHOOSE OUR BATTLES and this one is not really worthwhile.

(79) Alan Jackson, October 12, 2010 11:59 PM

We kept quiet in 1940 and look what happened , we must never give in to this sort of thing again.BE STRONG

(78) Prairie Jew, October 12, 2010 11:56 PM

Draw a line in the sand

This same group protested our Synagogue 2 years ago on the High Holy Days, so I know what you may be going through. In a word, anxiety. Their posters where highly offensive and we restranded several of our fellow Jews from going over to them. What history has shown us is that if you don't stick up for yourself, things become worse. Each occurance gets more and more over the top until violence starts occuring, like 70 years ago. Bullies come out of the woodwork when they see another bully get away with something. I wish you the best no matter what decision that you take. We stand with you.

(77) Alberto Avigdor, October 12, 2010 11:43 PM

I am in favor of the1st option

If jews were strongh enough and hit some of them every time they make a rally against jews, they would think twice before coming next time.

(76) jerry listokin, October 12, 2010 11:36 PM

case by case

when i was a child my mother would take the newspaper my father brought home to see if any jewish people had committed a crime or had been arrested. she was afraid that other people would think that if one jew committed a crime all jews were bad. she didn't like to make noise. if the anti-semites are acting like morons ignore them, but if you think that they might be able to influence someone then it is a duty to stand up to them. there is a top and bottom to all lists, anti-semites and jews included. pick the right battle and don't give up.

(75) Anonymous, October 12, 2010 11:32 PM

Work on the media and protest anyway

Work on the media to convince them NOT to give them exposure, but protest as well. Ignoring them makes us look weak.

(74) Ma. del Consuelo de Sabre, October 12, 2010 11:17 PM

God loves his people¡¡¡¡¡

It is better to ignore those who are ignorant.. It is better to forgive them because God will take care of them if they do not repent.

(73) David Tzvi, October 12, 2010 10:59 PM

Free Speech

Well Rabbi, this is unusual, I agree with you 100%. This is a situation where an argument is exactly what they want. This is not the same thing as burning copies of the Quron. That kind of activity we must protest. Idiots on the street corner spewing filth of any kind, that we can ignore as long as it's stays on the corner until the event is over. Then they crawl back into the caves until the next time. Confront them and you loose.

(72) Anonymous, October 12, 2010 10:53 PM

If this is Phelps you are talking about, I have good news. I have lived, volunteered for the Democrats, in south-central Kansas, and I don't think even the anti-Semites take this guy seriously. A fun thing happens when this guy's followers comes to town: all the scariest, hairiest, baldest, gay-beariest looking dykes and bare-chested men come out and physically surround them, truly intimidating.

(71) ruth housman, October 12, 2010 10:48 PM

to add to my comment

I don't think we can, however, ignore such rallies and I think there are other ways to bring this to the public and that is through writing about it and engaging in dialogue with others one can dialogue with, about ongoing issues of our time. But I know from experience that arguing with people who hate, who are bigoted, is useless, because they are close minded. Rallies of support do bring public awareness to an issue, but I don't think these rallies necessarily help and often they result in more confrontation. To rally against this might raise consciousness but not theirs. I have an issue with hate rallies in general and what is freedom of speech with respect to this issue. That too, could be debated. Sadly people are easily brought into the fray, because people who need this to feel it brings meaning to their lives, well, there are many like this, and they do view the world through distorted lenses.

(70) Martin Kochberg, October 12, 2010 10:44 PM

Kick the crap out of them!

I definitely thing Jews (and other freedom loving people) should turn out en masse and show them that this sort of activity is unaccepatable and engage them violently if necessary. Remember a fellow by the name of Adolf Hitler back in 1933? Need I remind you what happened when everyone ignored him and hoped it would all go away?

(69) ruth housman, October 12, 2010 10:42 PM

handling anti semitism

My first reaction is to pay no attention to these people, and yes, I am thinking this is what they're asking for. There is the phrase silence is louder than words, and in this case that would be my response too. They don't deserve the attention they crave, and yes, it seems that for some, negative publicity, massive publicity, something that brings them into the public eye, for them, somehow is to reach "fame". I seriously think people who rally around hate have severe and ongoing personal issues and that they're looking for some kind of meaning. Sadly people like this find meaning in being mean, in finding targets and others to agree with them. To target them by dignifying these acts with any response, I would say, only adds fuel to the fire.

(68) Anonymous, October 12, 2010 10:30 PM

ignore

Leave a fire unattended, it will go out. Ignore them.

(67) Ellen Chernofsky, October 12, 2010 10:20 PM

Watch them and learn about them. They need to be monitored, in case they present a real danger, but the less media attention they receive, the better.

(66) David J.Brieen, October 12, 2010 10:05 PM

We all remember! the Heart breaking sight of Jews rushing into the pits of Babi Yar,of their own volition,they went! "Why didn't they fight back??", that was the theme, through out those Black,Evil days,Jews walking to their Doom,and not resisting!!......it was the same thing when I came to Canada, I was the only Jew in my Elementry school,and suffered the abuse,and didn't Fight back!! that is! Untill one day,I looked up at G-d,and said,"Enough!!! ..,.and I beat the living Crap,out of the leader of the Group of boys that had tormented me,for so long!....and from that day forward,I had the "other" children,coming over to shake my hand and be friends!! I have found out,(after 70yrs. or so) that you have to stand up against these, slime, green,evil slugs,that infest the World with their anti-semitism,hate,and racism, and We must Never! Never! cease, to do Battle, with them,..where ever We find them"!!! D.J.Brieen.Vancouver,Canada

(65) Hannah, October 12, 2010 10:02 PM

It Makes Me Sad

As a former member of the U.S. Army, it is beyond by comprehension how these people act and behave VA hospitals, memorials and funerals of deceased comrades in arms. The heartbreak of losing someone you love doing something they wanted to do has no words to describe the pain of family and friends.That they continue to spread hate speech against gays and others that offend them goes against beyond the pale of decency. So they want to attack Jews with language unbecoming.I am tired. I am worn out. I will stand for what is right and for is fair, but I will not bring myself down to their level. I would not go to "their" protest. They should be ignored.

(64) Carmin Rosenthal, October 12, 2010 9:50 PM

Leave the matter to HaShem

We should ignore these misguided souls and because thaey make choices let HaShem deal out their reward. He's better at this than we are.

(63) Yocheved, October 12, 2010 9:43 PM

It's a lose-lose situation

No matter what we do, there will not be very many who are impressed with us. If we protest, the media will call us violent; and if we don't, we'll give off a weak impression. "Halacha hi býadua sheáisav sonei lýaakov" - It is a known fact that Esau hates Jacob - Jews are hated by the other nations in general (there are many non-Jews who don't hate Jews). In truth, the Jewish destiny is in G-d's hands. We can only do what we are able and what is right (in this case, we are debating what is right). Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Let's just daven that we realize and do the right things.

(62) Anonymous, October 12, 2010 9:41 PM

Fear paralyzes; we must speak out!

Obama praised the building of a mosque in NYC without a drop of empathy to thousands lost by his Islamic (favored) people; the Progressive Liberals shout out "support Obama" and what road is the US in now, the road to it's demise! Jewish people need to speak out, speak the truth with intelligence and back-up. Groups like these fanatic Baptists, yes, get attention by the mainstream media and it's because this administration in particular, is anti-semitic and most of the decent media personnel haven't got the guts to disapprove of these hate-groups, Black Panther hate groups, Islamic hate groups, and so many others that have reared their ugly heads in, especially these times, because they have the "go-ahead" by this administration. Jews need to show up,( and in all denominations from Reconstructive through Labavitch), to stand together and show this country that Judaism is good and preaches love and peace while these others preach hatred. racism, intolerance and fanaticism in their ranks. They are a small vicious group, but there are so many unaware and uneducated people who can be swayed by sheer fear and extremism only because they don't know the other options such as the ability to choose and not be threatened or condemned to H___L if they don't follow what is pushed in their face and in their psyche. Teach them about "tolerance" and about the idea of having the freedom to think for themselves and NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW HATE GROUPS!! Don't ignore anti-semitism, fight it with TRUTH and sincerity. This is something our disingenuous government and these hate-mongering groups would not like to see. They would like to "stamp it out". We should not allow this to go on. I see that there are many others who agree with standing up.

(61) Anonymous, October 12, 2010 9:29 PM

yes - but follow SPLC

I agree that ignoring is the better of the two proposed actions. However, I would add that many of the strategies employed by the Southern Poverty Law Center such as looking for other aspects of the group that may be in violation of existing laws is a way of curtailing their activities.

(60) Anonymous, October 12, 2010 9:12 PM

See if we can get the media to ignore them !!!!

Getting the media to ignore them is the key to sending them back to KANSAS ! thats THE KEY. iGNORE THEM If the media ignores them,back to Kansas they go !!!

(59) Art, October 12, 2010 9:10 PM

Hitler

Too many people ignored Hitler. NEVER AGAIN!

(58) Cody F, October 12, 2010 8:53 PM

Don't ever give in to their temptations.

Many years ago in Brooklyn NY a very religious Jewish friend asked me to attend a talk by the late Lubavich Rabbi. His talk was interesting but way over my head. As the son of German Jews, my religious education ended when I was Bar Mitzvahed. In the talk, the Rabbi was asked by a follower if he had plans on moving the organization from the Eastern parkway area to Spring Valley or Monsey NY. The Rabbi was emphatic. He said that "we have been travelling all of our lives for over two thousand years and now we are staying put in Brooklyn. We will not move any where. Why did this follower ask the Rabbi this important question? It seemed that on the Sabbath when these religious Jews would walk to Synagogue they were accosted by rough neck Blacks who thinking that these Jews carried money would try and start fights with these religious people. We know that the woman are dressed well, but the men wear black slacks and jackets with a black overcoat and a white shirt. I have never heard of any one of these Hasids ever carrying cash on the Sabbath, but the Blacks didn't know that. My religious friend said to me one day that something must be done to stop these beatings and scare tactics. I thought of two things: 1. Do what the German Jews did in the 1920's and 30's, think to themselves that if they did nothing, the Nazis would disappear as rowdies, ignorant thugs, after all Germany was one of the most sophisticated in the world at that time, or perhaps the Jews should have picked up sticks, clubs or whatever and fought these thugs in similar fashion as the Communists did on many occasions. I decided with my friends to pick up baseball bats and hide in the alley ways waiting for these blacks to strike. They did as usual on a Sabbath and after getting their heads bashed in a few times, they got the message. Sometimes the only thing that works with a Nazi thug is a baseball bat in his head. After he sees his own blood, he will think twice about trying to get yours.

(57) Anonymous, October 12, 2010 8:27 PM

Unless they're being led by a disgruntled, vengeful jewish sect, i.e., infighting contributing to the destruction of the second temple, I'd kill them. At the very least, I'd throw them in jail. Find whatever legal ground needs be found so hate groups like this haven't any to stand on.

(56) Anonymous, October 12, 2010 8:21 PM

We ignored Hitler .....................

(55) Anonymous, October 12, 2010 7:52 PM

Don't give them your power!

I'm just SO fed-up with all this hate, divisiveness, bigotry, fear, control, etc. Now, I try to avoid ALL KINDS of conflicts! I'm wondering when, and what it'll take for people to realize it's no harder to act kindly, and bestow on others than it does to focus on your differences! (I liked Ellen's comment, #14!) Personally, I'm not Jewish, but FEEL more Jewish than anything else, since it's in my DNA; I'm 63, was raised in Fundamentalist Christianity, which I still associate mostly with all the BAD STUFF (wars, ignorance, egoism, etc.), and found out when I was 21 that my father had been raised Jewish (now deceased, was a Federal Judge, but not nice by any stretch of the imagination!) I'm dealing-with some physical issues, but am hoping to at least be able to VISIT Israel (I'd thought I wanted to move there, but doesn't seem feasible, now), and ONLY wanted to read, write, and study (Hebrew, The Torah, and Authentic Kabbalah). I live in a redneck area in Southern Maine, just west of Portland, and the past few years, neighbors intentionally destroyed two huge, artistic gates I'd built, which were constructed when I was already disabled from being a former offshore diver and pipe welder. I'd work on the gates for 2-3 hours, and could barely walk, near tears from the excruciating pain I was in, but they were my tribute to God, and the land. The old farmhouse, here, I'm certain is toxic, also, but NONE of the town officials will do a thing in my behalf about ANY of this! -Oddly enough, all this started about the time I expressed interest in Judaism! My"natural self" wanted to maim people, but my "spiritual self" keeps reminding me that it does no good to study, if you don't PRACTICE the lessons, (forgiveness) when they show-up! Allow those folks to rise to your level, but no mater how hard, don't lower yourself to their picayune pettiness, or feel that you have to BE RIGHT! Sooner or later, many of them are likely to be in awe of your love, understanding, and integrity!

(54) Maria, October 12, 2010 7:51 PM

Antisiemitism rally

Don't you say they are tiny? Ignore them! If you must counter attack, a TURN YOUR BACK ON THEM would be the most appropriated.

(53) Howie Subnick, October 12, 2010 7:44 PM

Pain Conquers All

Are you familiar with street gangs? Tough guys? Street wise morons that know it all? They all have one thing in common. THEY HATE PAIN! It is the only thing thay understand. Together they are "knockers", alone they are snivelling, scared runts! When a group of antisemetics, like the ones you are talking about, lift so much as a pinky, you put them down! FAST and HARD! That they understand and want none of. I come from 32 years of law enforcement, dealing with the likes of these morons. You remember the saying. If they come with a stick, you come with a bat. They come with a knife, you come with a gun. They too will come with guns. In this respect, your gun must be bigger than theirs and you must know how to use it better than they do. Speaking of which, every Jew in the world should be proficiant with small arms. Pistols, revolvers and shotguns. Don't give in to these momzers. Always remember, he who kicks first, wins the fight. God Bless Us All!

(52) bernie brosenberg, October 12, 2010 7:17 PM

#16 is right on. however,as a seventy five year old, i am tired of the same crap i had to endure in my youth.take a lesson from the holocaust, open your mouth!! better yet take a lesson from the jewish gangs of minneapolis in the 40's. all the senior rabbi asked was that they do no killing. they settled for some broken arms, bloody noses and a couple of black eyes. guess what ?? no more nazi demos in that town. wake up and see the handwriting on the wall!!! stop being sheep led to the slaughter mills.

(51) Pete Kleff, October 12, 2010 7:10 PM

Ignore Them

Protesting against these idiots is like trying to pick up slime with your bare hands. You can't and all that results is slimy hands. As a Catholic I am offended by these people. But if my Jewish comrades demonstrate, it simply gives these fools the media frenzy they crave.

(50) Anonymous, October 12, 2010 6:55 PM

Learn Something from History.

In every generation they rise up against us. We minimize and ignore our enemies at our own peril. Be vigilant - there are anti-Semitic enemies who demonstrate and even more dangerous ones like the well-endowed terrorist front group C.A.I.R., and Marxist front groups like ACORN and J-Street who are using lies and subterfuge to lull America and Jews in particular into inattention and inaction while they destroy us from within.

(49) J.S., October 12, 2010 6:14 PM

Ignore them, if possible

It may require a great deal of inner resolve, strength, to ignore them, but I think that is the best approach. why pay attention to them and thereby elevate them? they don't deserve the dignity of a response.

(48) Jackie, October 12, 2010 6:13 PM

If only it was that simple

My knee jerk reaction is to ignore them. Avoid that area. close the school and take the kids on a field trip until they are gone. Give them no satisfaction at all. On the other hand, I think of all the years Jews ignored the Nazi 's in the 1930's. How did that work out for us? And more recently, after years of 'ignoring' the radical muslim attacks and rhetoric around the world, what did we end up with? 911. The answer lies somewhere in the middle, and cannot be decided lightly.

(47) Steven Rayow, October 12, 2010 6:11 PM

"Do not stand idly by your brothers blood."

" All that is necessary for Evil to Triumph is for a few good men to do nothing" Haven't we learned anything from the past? If people of conscience had spoken up in the 1930s perhaps the "Austrian Paperhanger" and his cronies wouldn't have happened. "Justice delayed is Justice denied"

(46) Joe, October 12, 2010 6:02 PM

It depends on how far you are willing to go.

Fred Phelps and his gang of cretins are almost universally despised in the United States. Even the furthest right wing pundits excoriate them for messing with the funerals of soldiers. Frankly, a large counter protest with placards and anger is what they feed on. What needs ot happen is that they are humiliated and mocked. They crave media attention, so give it to them in precisely the way they need. Recently they came to a science fiction and comic book convention. They are convinced that G-d hates Star Wars and Star Trek too... What happened was that 20 of these louts were met by hundreds of of Jedi, Cylons, Klingons, etc...who just laughed at them. The one thing that religious nut freakazoids have no armor against is the sword of humiliation. So go out there and mock them. Let it culminate in a pelting with water balloons (filled with colored water). Let them have their media time while stained orange, green and purple. Be sure to laugh at them.

(45) Betsy, October 12, 2010 5:43 PM

this is a tough one, but

I think a peaceful counter demonstration with signs quoting scripture that speaks of G-d assurance that He loves us, He chose us, and cannot forget us, etc., and maybe signs advising these baptists to actually read the Bible, will give the media some sound rebuttals to also capture on camera vitally important, though, that no Jews get visibly upset by the negative demonstraters but should show solidarity and calm confidence..

(44) Yocheved, October 12, 2010 5:31 PM

Silence is the greater voice

I believe silence is the greater voice in this predicament. We cannot lower ourselves, to look as they do in the protest. If we were to protest, then the world would only see us more anti-semitically. If quiet, maybe they would see what a farce these people are committing, and see innocence within the Jewish community. All of this, being a witness and a testimony, that we are being come against for absolutely no reason at all. I always heard it takes two to argue, no one to fight with, makes a battle cease quickly. There is a saying, that I think pertains to this situation: An eye for an eye, makes the whole world blind. May we act appropriately to glorify Ha-Shem, and to stand for the dignity of our people.

(43) Sharon, October 12, 2010 5:09 PM

Ingnore Them

Why give these people our attention, even in protest it would recognize and validate them. It would give them media attention, giving like minded people a group to "connect" to and "join up" with. Ignore the racist pigs and pray they do not expand their views to others.

(42) Patrick B. Leek, October 12, 2010 4:50 PM

That's What The JDL Is for

Nazis marching on Skokie is unacceptable. So why should antisemites marching in Yeshivas and Shuls in Brooklyn be allowed? The lack of response to folks like Farrakhan has made antisemitic comments a common occurrence. It's time to stand up so our kids are not subjected to harassment. Remember Yankel Rosenbaum. Never Again.

(41) ED, October 12, 2010 4:47 PM

our own surpressed desire for violence

As I read those who precede me, I can't help but feel an undercurrent of repressed violence. Surely justified by the frustration brought on by inaction, but violence nevertheless. How else to explain the plaintive calls for "action"; "...we are not going to sit back..." and more. The frustration I feel is too real... I have been a "conscientious objector" since the Viet Nam War, when I came of age. Each time our nation lifts its sword, it feels as if it is pointed inward as well. Each time Israel refuses to compromise with some insane Arab demand, I just know it will have a bad result. And each time Phelps and his folks go public, I fear for the ending. Each word they utter, only increases my own fury and desire to smash the words and those who utter them, into dust. But that would be wrong. And be forewarned...the Supremes have very little choice over what they will do in the case. It is hard to see the facts as being outside the scope of the 1st Amendment. But, there is solid [though old] precedent for ruling that the words come within the hate speech exemption and deny them protection. And there is an equally good [and old] exception for words that urge action when there is no basis for the act yelling "fire" in a theater. People who speak in those ways do not get protection and no doubt will go to jail. But that will not silence them. So what to do? It seems to me that the only real way to fight the problem is to take away the platforms - the TV cameras, thus dening them the visibility they need in order to spread their hate message. By denying the voice, we are not acting cowardly. Indeed, we would be using the highest form of acting courageously; by allowing the words to be spoken but removing the audience. We can always kill the messenger. But preventing the message from being delivered, removes his ability to get his message across. Take away his purpose, his vehicle, his message, will remove him as well.

(40) FRANCES, October 12, 2010 4:45 PM

I HATE ANTI-SEMITISM WHICH AS ONE STATED IT IS HAPPENING ALL OVER THE WORLD. I FEEL JEWS HAVE THE RIGHT TO STAND UP TO PEOPLE LIKE THE PROTESTOR BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT THEY ARE VERY IGNORANT PEOPLE WHEN THE PERSON WHO THEY WORSHIP WAS OR IS JEWISH. CHRISTIANS DO NOT WANT TO THINK IN THAT JESUS WAS BORN A JEW, PRACTICED AS A JEW, AND DIED A JEW. SOME PEOPLE ARE REALLY FOOLISH, AREN'T THEY.

(39) Anonymous, October 12, 2010 4:41 PM

Hate never bring ideas or honor, work does, skills do

To be aware of what's around, carefully recognize the wisdom and idiotism of each side, always weight opinions and make yours known. Do not let Rome finish its job-to erase Jews from the face of Earth and blame them for "their own false" Be one step ahead more educated, more flexible and more alert

(38) Sergio Barer, October 12, 2010 4:38 PM

Protest

I think you are right about not showing up and not giving them any more attention. I think groups like this, hate groups, usually have criminals in their midst. I think the correct approach is not interact with them, not give them more attention but be very alert for any crimes they might commit or have committed, which they probably have, given their hate, and them bring charges on those crimes. Hate groups are not rational and they are not clean. I think the answer is no attention, wait for the crimes to show up and enforce the law.

(37) Bob Abulafia, October 12, 2010 4:37 PM

I will take option 1

I agree with James comment # 16.What has history shown us about silence on this matter?The real danger here is to think this is isolated to some small fringe group it is not.There is a growing number of so called "religious conservatives" who get away with spewing" anti everything "rhetoric on a daily basis. I see Jews on this website and others backing these people because they claim to support Israel or some isolated Torah value they subscribe to, wow what a mistake.I am a Sephardic Jew I can tell you that the crusaders were anti gay and very religious Mr Hitler didn't think much of gays or gypsies it goes on and on. We have to stop being silent when the dignity, compassion and respect due any people are threatened.We cant support it because we like a piece of it and we cant be silent.

(36) Sol Schneider, October 12, 2010 4:35 PM

Come on with strength

The more people come out in strength against these Racist, bigoted anti-semites the better. These scum only respect and fear strength.

(35) Anonymous, October 12, 2010 4:31 PM

Anti-Semitic Rallies

I agree with your conclusion - ignor them. I have seen reports and videos on this group. Not only are they seeking media attention, but they very much admit that they are seeking confrontation with their adversaries, which only fuels their zealousness. You can't argue with them, show them how wrong they are, etc. One member of the family is actually the lawyer and she is extremely articulate and just loves to debate. I cannot urge your readers, listeners, etc. to avoid contact with this group at all costs. As you said, they are looking for media attention, but they are also looking for confrontation which they feel affirms their believes. SB in Israel

(34) Asher, October 12, 2010 4:27 PM

Time is more precious than to bother with these protesters

Reb Yaakov, A great message as always. I cannot believe that we have not learnt by now that it is best to just ignore and not even discuss these acts of hate. The only thing that is mind boggling is that ~ If there are people in the streets with signs that say "Soldiers are better dead" or "Your Rabbi is a _____ ( not proper to write )" than why is the Police not arresting that person(s) as that seems to be a hate crime. If someone was to write the same words on a wall of a funeral home or school, the person(s) would be arrested for #1) defacing property and also for a biased hate crime.. Freedom of speech does not allow the fact that you can may make statements of Hate . At the end there were 5 -7 wprthless people who had signs and if noone woul dhave been there to counter attack them , they would have had no publicity and they would disappear and go back to where they came from. Asher

(33) Benjamin, October 12, 2010 4:27 PM

Ignoring antisemitism is dangerous.

There is a explicit danger in ignoring antisemitism. I agree that these people are despicable hiding behind free speech as a means of spreading hatred. However, this hatred, no matter how blatant or subtle must be met with opposition. I believe this is one of the main lessons we must take from the Holocaust. This venomous propaganda should be called out and confronted. We cannot afford to simply ignore people like this, and we must exercise our freedom of speech to expose them for what they are.

(32) harvey, October 12, 2010 4:23 PM

hates more than jews

the protest at funerals of gay soldiers who have died fighting at for their country

(31) Kevin, October 12, 2010 4:22 PM

Shouting Fire in a Movie Theatre

Like the intolerance committed in the name of tolerance; the things people do in the name of free speech always intrigues me. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater, because free expression requires responsibility. We are all accountable for our words as well as our actions. Sadly, folks like these, that Iranian leader, and other vocal, rock-throwing, explosive toting anti-Jewish types do not take responsibility for their words; no one is holding them accountable for their words and ("peaceful"?) actions. Many, but not all Christians, like many perhaps not all Muslims have in common a convert or die philosophy... whether they execute this ideology with word, signage, sword, rock, or explosive matters not, the desired outcome is the same. All that being said, I have to consider what The Almighty said early on in Genesis... that He will bless those that bless Abraham... Israel... Jews, and curse those who curses Abraham... Israel... Jews. Moreover, that all families of the earth would be blessed by Abraham... Israel... Jews. Do these people have the right to protest? What are they protesting? Do these people have the right to demonstrate peacefully? What are they demonstrating? Should the media or others give them the time of day? I don't know. I just know that they're message is wrong and historically proven to be dangerous and seldom remains peaceful. I think, The Almighty makes clear what He loves and hates in His eternal word, and no matter how many times I search it, I can't find where He hates Jews, rather that He chastises them because He loves them. I can find at least 7 things He does hate.... a proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that plots wicked plans, feet hurrying to do evil, a false witness who speaks lies, and he who causes fighting among brothers. Its clear that those "protesters", and "Jihadists" alike, fall among those 7 things. May their eyes be opened and their hearts repent.

(30) Gary Katz, October 12, 2010 4:19 PM

A third option

Here's a different idea: Why not show up and LAUGH at them? Nothing could be more humiliating to them than hundreds or thousands of people pointing at them, laughing at their stupidity and taunting them with clever bon mots. Not the response they might be looking for, and it will show them that our society doesn't ignore them, but it doesn't take them seriously either.

(29) Leah, October 12, 2010 4:11 PM

It can't be good

But people know these guys are a bunch of (excuse me for being so blunt) "nuts"! Who is going to take them seriously? On the other hand, it's never a good idea to let people put on public displays of Jew hatred. It only fosters more antisemitism. Perhaps #14 is on to something. Set up a banquet to welcome and feed them. Surely a hard day of hating stirs up an appetite.

(28) Chaim ben Moshe, October 12, 2010 4:08 PM

Get in their face!

We didn't protest Hitler. How did that work out? These people need to be stopped before their venomous attacks and lies are accepted by others. If we do nothing it indicates acceptance of their abuse. NEVER AGAIN!

(27) Susan, October 12, 2010 3:59 PM

Can't ignore it

We can't ignore it . When people hate Jews and when countries hate Israel, we cannot ignore it. News media is going to be there one way or another. The problem is, who can find the extra time and $$$ in this economy.

(26) bernard roth, October 12, 2010 3:46 PM

By all means let's confront them. Jews should not have to suffer in silence ever again. We can use media attention as well as they get.

(25) David Peters, October 12, 2010 3:46 PM

Laughter as protest

Laugh at them. Stand on the sidewalk and point at them and laugh. Derision and mockery will drive them crazy, and they will be paralyzed in the impotence of their hate. I know the initial reaction is to punch their lights out, but far better to watch them implode.

(24) Wally Barber, October 12, 2010 3:36 PM

People partaking in any Anti-Semitic action cannot have much knowledge of the Jewish people. I am not Jewish but have studied much of the Jewish history, especially the Biblical history and I cannot understand the problem. I have also personally had first hand experience of the charitable nature of the Jews in South Africa and that experience ranked the Jews in South Africa number 1 in my book. In my personal opinion the Jews I have met, are by far the most wonderful people I have met.

(23) Anonymous, October 12, 2010 3:34 PM

Send the rabbis

I think it is not about shouting them down; it is their tactic and who wants to stoop to that. level? It would be better to send a delegation of rabbis who can articulate Jewish community opinions calmly and clearly and explain that these people ( anti-semitic group) are in fact attention-getters and most of them are most likely ignorant or even "unhinged". If the media see and report the calm response it will be the best message you can send to the general public. Also ,please, do not refer to a " eastern-european anti-semitism'' It is just labeling and there is no evidence there is more antisemitism in that part of Europe than in France or Germany etc. It just alienates a forward thinking and tolerant majority of people in this region.

(22) Robert, October 12, 2010 3:29 PM

Response

I think we should send in the Jewish Defense league and all able bodied Jews in there and force them out physically. If they were afraid for their lives to come into our neighborhood to voice this filth, there would not be a next time. If the Nazis were afraid of the Jews, maybe the Holocaust could have been averted. You do not see the KKK or anti blacks voicing anti black in black neighborhoods because they are too scared. An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth. Long live Jews and Israel.

(21) Jerry Itzig, October 12, 2010 3:25 PM

where to draw the line?

There can be no right answer to this. Did the Jews in Berlin, during Hitler's reign, ask this question? Probably. But when do we act? Right now, they are waving signs. They may even spew expletives but at what point do we put our foot down and say "enough"? Our PC world has gone so far astray from what our founding fathers designed, it is pathetic. When does freedom of speech become a burden rather than a privilege? Clearly (to me anyway) when it infringes on decency and harmony. Since I am certain the local people will NOT have the support of the police (they must be PC to the extremists, not the victims) , I think an contingent of neighbors, confronting them and telling them they are not welcome in the neighborhood might be the best solution. Fighting fire with fire only makes for bigger fires.

(20) Edwin H. Cassem SJ MD, October 12, 2010 3:21 PM

Pay no attention to THESE DISGUSTING BIGOTS !!!

Both Jews, Christians, and devout persons are hated & held in contempt. If this happens on the street, the scum should be put out of commission.

(19) , October 12, 2010 3:19 PM

Rabbi, One of my neighbors in East Texa belongs to a group a patriotic motorcycle group that goes to the funerals of all veterans who may be plagued by these nuts. They create a perimeter around the family and gravesite to prevent any confrontation that is inappropriate to the setting. I think this is the correct approach as this prevents any possible unwanted contact. I think they are called the National Patriotic Guard Riders. Perhaps you can contact them to help with the situation.

(18) jewish whale, October 12, 2010 3:06 PM

distasteful- but not necessarily bad

I have followed up on this Church's website for a number of year's. According to the interview with Rev Phelps, he helped fight segregation. To me, hsi statements showed character. I do not judge these people for being antisemetic; they are baptists, and frankly Judaism and Christianity as a whole have not been friends since the time of Jesus, even that is disputable. So, this should not be striking that the Westboro folks have finally turned on the Jews publicly. Just as these people may voice their gospel, I think it reinforces our right as the Jewish people to speak out against injustice or to gain public support. To silence the westboro group is like silencing ourselves. Totally counterproductive. These are passionate people, who as far as I know, are non-violent. intimidating yes, but non violent. The Jewish people have far more threatening and dangerous adversaries to protest than a small offshoot baptist church.

(17) cvmay, October 12, 2010 3:03 PM

Our actions determine who we are.

Personally, I favor opinion #1, come out in force through a pray rally, with decorum, respectful signs, etc. Our passive mode of existence was initiated in the annals of Europe -- Jews of Sefardic origin were more apt to complain, rally and or demonstrate. The question should be: Do these rallies help? Maybe or maybe not YET they help us......define what is important and what is not. Demonstrating against the Man who does not give a get, demonstrating against an illicit store that opens in our area, demonstrating against gay marriages becoming law, demonstrating for school funding through vouchers, demonstrating for equal and equitable rights to Israel in the UN arena.........are some issues more LIFE THREATENING than others, depending on who you ask.

(16) James, October 12, 2010 3:00 PM

How Long ?

Anti-Semitism is on the rise, all over the world. How long are we going to sit back and ignore these people ? Listen, the news media are going to cover their events anyway, whether we are there or not. Let the world know that we are not going to sit back and let these morons have free reign on the streets with their anti-gay, anti-semitic rhetoric. Perhaps if the Jews of Europe had been more vocal in the 30's, history wouldn't be what it is today. Sooner or later, we will have to confront these people, my question is, if not now, when ?

(15) Anonymous, October 12, 2010 2:48 PM

Passion of the .....

Just wanted to add that I was once verbally attacked by a Christian on the issue of the Jews killing Yashka, I answered him with a question "What kind of G-d can be killed by people?" I sure wouldn't want to worship him. I prefer my G-d to be a little more invincible!

(14) Ellen L., October 12, 2010 2:42 PM

Agree with both sides

Since it appears they protest against Jews for media attention, I think we should give them what they want and show up, bring chairs and tables, buffet--the woiks--and enjoy ourselves while they protest. Perhaps we might even extend an invitation to join us so they can get to know who we really are. In any event, if they don't accept the invitation or if they continue rallying, they don't look good. On the other hand, we are surviving, living well, enjoying ourselves, behaving rightly and making a good impression.

(13) judy, October 12, 2010 2:39 PM

ignore them

I don't think all antisemitic incidents are the same and some of them should definitely not be ignored. but this one should be. a few people protesting to no audience will look pathetic and ridiculous. Counter protesting will give them legitimacy they should not have. They are feeding on publicity and we should not help feed them

(12) steve fox, October 12, 2010 11:29 AM

A noise like the ones who brought down the walls

should be make their protest a moot point....

(11) aaron, October 12, 2010 11:03 AM

neither

move home. don't fight for a lost cause.

(10) Anonymous, October 11, 2010 4:28 PM

Westboro hate group part 2

here are the rest of my ideas abouut this: 3a. Have as many Jewish groups and ask groups friendly to Jews to write to the media encouraging what the media to do as TMay, above has suggested was done with the 'kick a ginger' day, where the media meets up with them and has the talk with them about their bad behaviour and how they will not give them any more attention. 3b. Have the same groups write to all churches who will listen, to speak out against this behaviour and asking those groups to pray for these deeply misguided people. And leave the rest to Hashem. Hope that's at least somewhat useful - this horrid group has a lot of enemies because of their activities - they picket all manner of odd things that make no sense and they pray for more dead soldiers so you can imagine pretty easily they are in the grip of their yetzer hera. Anyway, they picketed a funeral of a musician, married, with children and a practising Catholic, who was beloved within the genre he played and who haad cancer and whose response to caner was to start a fund to donate to cancer research -because they did not approve of the genre he played. They picketted another group who responsed with a parody picket of their own - it was a convetion of comic book devotees. They got no media attention during that picket because the other group outnumbered them and made them look ridiculous. So maybe an overwhelming peaceful counterpicket would be the way to go to squelch the media attention? :) Or not. Praying this gets resolved soon! This hate group are giving G_d a bad name amongst agnostics and they are fuellingall the proliferating groups of evangelical atheists who mistake them for actual believers in G_d. :(

(9) Anonymous, October 11, 2010 4:25 PM

Westboro Baptist Hate Group masquerades as a church

A lot of Baptists now downplay their denomination because of this wingnut group making all Baptists look bad by association. http://www.apologeticsindex.org/111-westboro-baptist-church In Canada we stopped them from croissing at the border - they planned on picktting something - I cannot recall what it was. Anyway... I am thinking of how to expunge their behaviour and perhaps a mixed strategy is best. Is the goal to stop them from picketting or to squash the media attention? Here are some ideas that might work. 1. Gather minyans in every community and pray that they G-d give them whatever G-d has planned for them. Or maybe God bless this group to sincerely repent and keep them far away form the media's eye? 2. Any counter protest simply hold large signs cutting right to the heart of the problme with their preposterous theology saying "Jesus was Jewish" and statements that they (The Westboro Baptist Church, who are not at all represtentaive of any Baptists I have know :-/) are breaking the commandment to not to take G-d's name in vain.

(8) TAMMY, October 11, 2010 2:12 PM

Put some fear in them !

I live in WV and when our miners were killed a few months ago this same group said they were going to protest at the funerals and say G-d hates miners. West Virginians sent a message to them, that they wouldn't make it back out of here and our State Police refused to give them protection and told them everyone in WV has a gun and could be any where in these hills and guess what ? They didn't come. ; )

(7) Jana Ondráčková, October 11, 2010 8:29 AM

This will depend on the situation. If they are dangrous, maybe armned, then go out and protest. If they are simply "central European antisemitic" ignore them or try to eplain to them in moreorless "neighbourly terms" that they are wrong. My mother once told an antisemitic collaborator who claimed that Jews stink:"Do you think I stink". Why would you stink? replied the lay. Because I am Jewish, said my mom. I have argues with many people , also in my neighbourhood, in this vein. However, if they come out in black shirts, shouting Nazi slogans and throwing Molotov cocktails, then is the time to come out. However, you should be young andphysically able to stand up to them. Do not persuade elderly people to do the job.

(6) Alan Drake Tyree, October 11, 2010 4:11 AM

I still don't know.

I once told a Protestant Christian woman that Mel Gibson's movie "The Passion" was anti-Semitic, and it made her so mad that she told me Jew's were like blacks. Saying everything and everybody is racist that really is not. Which was putting down black people too. Then I started getting ganged up on for saying the Jews did not kill Jesus, the Romans did. They'd rather take up for the pagen Romans! My own family gangs up on me too when I take up for the Jews and Orthodox Judaism. It's a constant battle. In fact it was just today that I said I wanted to order the book "The Mitzvot", by Abraham Chill, and my father told me it would mess my mind up. I said how can something from the Bible mess your mind up? And he's supposed to be a Methodist. It's really saddening. I don't know what to do, except keep fighting. I just can't stand to hear Jews or Judaism get attacked. But maybe for my own health and peace I should just remain silent. Because I'm not sure I'm making much of a difference in their thinking. It's just a source of anger for me. Besides, "Eyn od milevado", nothing else exist besides him. Which I'm learning from Rabbi Pliskin's book "Anger! The Inner Teacher" This also is for good. And whatever the All Mercifull One does is for the best. Pray for shalom. And if you would please pray for shalom in my home as well. My life may depend on it. Anger leads to death. I've got to stop getting angry at these anti-semetic non-Jews. At the very least for my own healths sake. Please pray. And please pray for me and my anger too.

(5) TMay, October 10, 2010 10:25 PM

Shun them. Encourage peaceful shunning.

Media is feeding the man and his daughters and there should be meetings with the media about not covering them. This is not new. When people saw copycat crimes, like the "kick a ginger day" the media decided to limit coverage to not spread the idea. Media should not be covering this group. People know in what town they live and where they plan to picket. I would like to see flyers created with their photos and names and a description of what they do, and flyers posted. Hand them out to businesses. I would like to see businesses post the saying "this business reserves the right to refuse service to anyone." The media and the courts have not helped in the past. I would like people and businesses decide to shun these people and spouses voluntarily, peacefully. South Baptist Church should condemn Phelps and the Church loudly and they could take away his clergyman status and perhaps hurt the non profit status of his church. He does not belong in a church. Excommunicate the man and Church! Other churches condemn them as well. Good against evil. I would like people to check out everything with lawyers and with the police so that everything is legal and people should not preach nor be self righteous, nor harass nor get up close, nor be violent, nor promote violence, and discourage any violence to them, because people and businesses have to protect themselves, really, from being sued by these people. Phelps provoke, then sue, and then get money to further their disgusting behavior. See http://www.blackfive.net/main/2005/08/the_intent_of_f.html word "Westboro" Truth is a defense. The posters should be strictly truthful and low key and not use the word "crazy" nor "insane" nor"sick" nor "criminal" and should include the words "in my opinion". They say they use the 1'st Amendment. Let others. Let good people who are upset by the actions of the Phelps work together. Be observers educators.

(4) Anonymous, October 10, 2010 7:47 PM

America

I don't think we as Jews have to do anything. I think America should not allow this. What would be ideal is if Christians and Muslums etc.. staged a counter protest against them and the police arrest them for disturbing the peace. Why is that Jews have to do anything at all. As Americans we deserve the protection of America!

(3) Anonymous, October 10, 2010 7:40 PM

Shocking naivete from Yakov Salomon

I’ve been writing into and reading Aish.com for as long as it has existed. This is the first time I’ve felt compelled to remain anonymous. Not because I’m afraid of the Nazi’s the speaker talks about in his video. I’m afraid of the attacks I’ll receive from other Jews like him. I’m shocked at the response of the speaker. Yes we should protest. And bring baseball bats. I grew up with survivors of Churban Europe. My father a’h always said the mistake they made was this foolish “ignore and it’ll go away”response. Resist with every fiber of your being. Can you imagine the IDF taking a similar stance with Palestinian terrorists? Truly I’m at a loss for words. I’m completely dumbfounded that this discussion is even taking place. If those Nazi’s come to my city I’ll be right there ready to bust their skulls with anyone else willing to stand up. I can’t believe we’re worried that we might give them the media attention they want. They’ve already got it. This “winy” kind of indecisive “dilly-dallying” in this video is the bad press we Jews should be afraid of. It tells the Jew-haters to take it a step further and up a notch. To all sensible Jews out there: Be proud and stand up for your rights and well being.

(2) Chavi, October 10, 2010 6:19 PM

ignore

i think there are two options- either ignore them or else give them the same treatment that Haman's daughter gave Haman when she believed he was Mordechai.

(1) Robin Starkman, October 10, 2010 4:03 PM

Tired of this yet

This question is as old as we are as a people. Both points can be made to and against doing anything. We are living in times where once again Jew-hating is growing, our own President is not helping the situation at all with his stance on Isreal. Because of the times we live in it is so important that we are not always ignoring these people. If we do not stand up for ourselves, who will. Living in the Midwest I run into these people almost everyday.............we must at some point stand together and stand up!

 

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