Swindled!

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(31) Titus, June 7, 2009 5:43 PM

Amen

Amen Amen Amen

(30) david, March 18, 2009 10:41 AM

looking at other faiths from the outside.

Hi my name is David, my comment is this when I found out Bernard Madoff was jewish and a lot of the people he swindled were jews them selfs , I decided to visit a jewish website to find out what jewish people felt about this rather unsavoury person, let me just add that I am a big fan of jewish humor and the only bad thing I hear about jews is over Israel, but any how naturally many people felt embarrassement shame and real anger towards this Man, I have must also say I love to read about other faiths and take inspiration from the things that might not be in my own faith, but I was surprised to find a lot of real hate and anger directed towards the pope in comments left over the bishop willamson case , I must say if i read some of the comments that i read on a catholic web site about jews I would have been disgusted , but it doesnt change my views about jews who I respect on a lot of levels but I do feel Jews need to let go of anger they have in their Hearts towards the pope and christianity because we have a lot more in common , and even more importantly I must say catholics must let go of any hate or grievance towards our Jewish brothers. peace to all what ever faith you may be.

(29) SusanE, December 20, 2008 12:26 PM

Gambling is Bad - Greed is Bad - Gamblers are Greedy

Rabbi Salomon, No person should gamble with their money, so of course, the Stock market is never a investment. If I 'play the market' it is for fun, like an evening at the Casino. I believe that most men can be bought. Dangle enough available cash before him and he will likely find a way to take it. or many men can be influenced to look the other way while someone else takes it. (Corporate America)Sorry state of affairs but true none the less. Actually, true on a massive scale as events on the financial markets are showing. Swindlers have an educated way of finding Investors in every scheme imaginable. The Investors are gambling that they will receive a great amount for a little investment. They are mostly greedy people, or at least the ones I've seen are. At the higher levels of swindling, or stealing, such as the men you are talking about, same thing, just with bigger amounts. You ask why this is happening? It is happening because it CAN happen. These men didn't work alone. There are millions of greedy, unethical people in small town America and in Corporate America alike. The checks and balances are full of greed too. Time for an overhaul don't you think? Of course we are all wonderful people and would never do such a thing on the smallest level. Would we???? Remember, Pyramid schemes, Scratch off Tickets, and Knock off designer bag markets are thriving. The Posters comment about investing in Israel is excellent advice to follow.

(28) paul solon, December 20, 2008 12:23 PM

honesty is its own blessing

To say we get what we deserve presumes perfect justice, and the world is far from that, and probably has more injustice than justice in it, though this is unknown. What justice did the 6-month Tuti child get at the hands of Hutu killers, who wiped out 800,000 mainly with machetes? That child was entirely blameless yet slaughtered. To do honest things cannot not be done with the penelty or reward the punishment or the blessing in mind. Then it is still doing because of what we will get or not get. A person is honest because it is right and proper, and brings its own blessing. If a person is honest due to blessings or non blessings, then it is still me-centered. All one has to do is look around--cheaters do prosper, some of them, crime does pay, sometimes. We can be honest regardless of the consequences. God did not ask us to be honest to find favor with him. He asked us to be honest because he gave us a soul, and our soul talks to us, and we know--don't steal, it ain't right. paolosolon@yahoo.com

(27) G.M. Grena, December 20, 2008 12:43 AM

Better Than Lori This Week!

I'm truly surprised! This week's "Lori Almost Live" really moved me, & I thought, "Rabbi Salomon's video probably won't be so controversial", but I really enjoyed your final point when you held the bill up to the camera! You really made a terrific point this week, but thanks for all of your thoughtful, thought-provoking videos throughout the past Gregorian-calendar year!

(26) Zvi, December 18, 2008 5:12 PM

Excellent video, but a question

Excellent video, I'm glad to see such honesty. When you say though that whatever a person gets is exactly what they deserve, its a bit disturbing. Anyone who has worked in corporate America has seen people who are deserving never receive what they earned, and the undeserving getting rewards they haven't earned. Bu tperhaps thats a subject for a future video

(25) Anonymous, December 18, 2008 5:41 AM

Morality Counts

Hoorah for an honest, Godly man!

(24) Eduardo Manuel, December 17, 2008 3:11 PM

No more to say

That's IT my dear Rabbi. Know they all know. No more excuses.

(23) Shais, December 17, 2008 9:58 AM

Why be moral?

To amplify Rivka's comment: while we should act morally because we're commanded to, and while we may act immorally due to pride, we should profoundly consider how others view us. Are people anti-Semitic if they say: "you can't trust Jews"? We should make our actions examples of proper conduct and eliminate the rationale of our accusers.

(22) Hannah Tovah, December 17, 2008 3:30 AM

So many of us think our self worth is dependent upon the value of our bank accounts. I think that at times Jewish people are guilty of seeing the world as a reflection of their own worth in this way. We never really did move on from the sin of the worship of the golden calf, preferring to put our trust in what is seen and in riches, rather than in God, his ethics and morals. For little people like myself its difficult enough, for great people like Madoff it is seemingly nearly impossible to remain untainted by greed, immorality and unethical behaviour.

(21) Brad, December 17, 2008 2:18 AM

The impact on the Jewish community

Sooner or later people will blame the Jews for the economic downturn. Unfortunately Madoff has made this become sooner. He has brought shame to his family, defrauded good Jewish charities out of millions of dollars (all of which would have been donated by Jewish people), and the impact will be severely felt by the entire Jewish community because now anti-Semitic feelings will become much more prevalent. I would like to see someone address the issues in Aish.com. I live in England and during the stock market downturn in Oct 2008, one of the newspapers ran an article giving 6 reasons for the stock market drop. One of the reasons was "Jews weren't trading stocks on Yom Kippur" and the article talked about a Jewish phenomenon that Jews believed "buy on Rosh Hashanah and sell on Yom Kippur". Shocking? Absolutely! but this is what is being written in national newspapers. Now with the Madoff scandal, anti-Semites have reason to write this crap, and in England and the rest of Europe, where anti-Semitism is just below the surface, articles like this will become much more prevalent and stir greater anti-Semitic feelings. Very sad, and the Madoff family owes a massive apology to the entire worldwide Jewish population!!

(20) alex, December 17, 2008 1:08 AM

“Kol Yisrael Areivim Zeh BaZeh”,

we are all guarantors for each other.

(19) R. Hess, December 16, 2008 8:19 PM

Another view

At one time the gentelman kept a good portfolio. Returns were steady and good. Then there was market slippage. Rather than show lower returns or even a loss, he paid out part of the principal. The market tanked. People wanted their money. There was none. The pride of a steady fake return caused the fall. Pride is a weakness.

(18) Rivka, December 16, 2008 6:20 PM

Shande for the goyim?

I'd like to second Mr. Engelhart's suggestion that Rabbi Salomon address the contrast between Madoff's involvement in Torah institutions and the depravity of his actions. Rabbi Salomon, please also comment on the impact of Madoff's embezzlement on the perception of the Jewish community.

(17) Yisroel Pollack, December 16, 2008 5:55 PM

Being an Educated Consumer

Maybe they were having a Bash!

(16) RUTH HOUSMAN, December 16, 2008 5:19 PM

interesting commentary below

someone commented, what about those who were swindled? what was God's plan for them? I think as you go out into the universe to examine the cosmic implications of God's plan you do wind up with a situation of intellectual paradox, because it it's all God's plan then so is the swindling, but we cannot go there. Of course the swindling was wrong and the implications in terms of the hurt to so many people is wrong. There must be something in the way people think, in how they're shaped by experience and life itself, that makes them do such horrendous things to others without moral qualms. Maybe the greater story, the mesh of all this, is the movement to greater recognition, a step up the ladder of learning, that compassion is the greatest way. For those wronged, there is outrage, there is action, and hopefully compassionate help and maybe, even, a learning curve, too. We can only say what's wrong and needs fixing, and then go about this.

(15) jgarbuz, December 16, 2008 5:18 PM

Little sympathy here.

Warren Buffet, a non-Jew, invested $4 billion dollars into a good Israeli company 2 years ago. How much money did the Jewish investors who lost their money invest in Israel? Those who gamble eventually lose.

(14) dk, December 16, 2008 4:08 PM

response to larry engelhart

you said it: "...trusted it to SOMEONE..."

(13) Frances, December 16, 2008 10:19 AM

I believe what the Rabbi said

Although many people were hurt, I believe that the people who hurt other people will not be happy. Either they end up in Jail or die. Remember Enron.

(12) Anonymous, December 16, 2008 9:15 AM

Rabbi Salomon is talking about the *swindlers* not the *swindled*

Some of the comments seem to be missing the point of this blog entry. If you trust in G-d you won't feel the compulsion to take money that doesn't belong to you. How to react when someone you trusted has been swindling you is a completely separate topic, perhaps a good topic for a future blog video.

(11) Gerald RALPH, December 16, 2008 8:13 AM

How contemptable & disgracefull they are !!

These people supply ammunition to those who hate us and demonise our name.For that reason alone, I consider them to be just Wicked

(10) Anonymous, December 16, 2008 7:44 AM

Wrong title, wrong name

Instead of "Senator Rudy Bloganovich", try "Governor Ron Blagojevich".

(9) david r, December 15, 2008 9:24 PM

what about the others!

what about all those people who do trust in G-d that lost out big time in all these incidents. they didn't do anything wrong, they acted responsibly, how can your comments be reconciled with that reality!

(8) Annette, December 15, 2008 9:24 PM

Amen!

v'Amen!

(7) Anonymous, December 15, 2008 8:36 PM

Of course Emuna (faith) is required, but it is so tough...

We have lived in pretty simple economic times over the last 20 years that it seemed like it would never get anywhere near as bad as it is now. We had our downs but it usually bounced back pretty quickly, who knows where this will bounce back to? I guess that's where our emuna kicks in, we just need Faith in G-d. Its tough when your pension is gone, when your savings were swindled, or when you invested with bright hopes and now lost more than half or worse all of it...the point is: In such trying times, perhaps the only thing that can lift us out is what R' Salomon is reminding us: Trust G-d.

(6) Larry Engelhart, December 15, 2008 6:07 PM

Sad & Simplistic

It is sad that this commentary doesn't address the pain, anguish, and desperation of many "innocent" people who have lost their life savings. Many of these people worked hard to amass their savings and trusted it to someone who appeared prudent, ethical, and charitable. In fact, one of the hallmarks of both perpetrator and victim was a major commitment to charitable giving. I would love to hear the Rabbi address the following: 1) How do the victims recover their zest for life and trust in people & God 2) How do people who seem so into Chessed (Madoff, Boesky, and many others) become such swindlers and bearers of pain to others?

(5) JågJåth van Krüppelhmeiher-Stadt, December 15, 2008 5:43 PM

No one

I trust only myself.

(4) Anonymous, December 15, 2008 4:54 PM

very well said

very

(3) malka, December 15, 2008 1:21 PM

deffinately

some people are very greedy and swindle whenever they can. I agree about trusting in G-d to give us what we need, and we shouldn't take more. I guess some people are not satisfied with 'enough' and want more. But down the road they lose it if it doesn't belong to them

(2) Anonymous, December 15, 2008 11:56 AM

wow, thank you

thank you so much for the important reminder behind all of this, G-d is part of every aspect of our lives.

(1) Laya, December 15, 2008 9:36 AM

Amen!

 

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