Dating Maze #289 - The Impulse Shopper
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Dating Maze #289 - The Impulse Shopper
Dating Advice 289

Dating Maze #289 - The Impulse Shopper

They have vastly different approaches to spending money. Can they coexist?

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Dear Rosie & Sherry,

I met this great guy. He fits me perfectly and I see a fantastic future together. There are only a few problems that I'm not sure can be resolved. They have to do with money.

He spends money on unnecessary, expensive things that he doesn't need. For example, out of the blue he bought himself a really expensive telescopic lens for bird watching, even though he's never watched a bird in his life. Two weeks before, he bought himself a microscope because he got interested in that. I suggested that he try to borrow one first to try it out, but he insisted that he couldn't and needed the latest technology that just came out.

He also isn't earning much money. I'm worried that if we get married and have a family, he's going to be spending lots of money on all kinds of fancy new gadgets, instead of on his family and savings. When he was a child, his family went bankrupt, and I'm worried that that could happen to us. I am very good with saving and would have no problem being in charge of the finances, as long as he would let me.

I really like this guy. What should I do?

Paula

Dear Paula,

Thank you for sending with this question. We wish that more daters were courageous enough to confront their different attitudes about money while they are building a relationship. In fact, this is the optimal time for a man and woman to explore each other's views and expectations about many aspects of everyday life, to gauge their readiness to compromise on or accept the differences between them. Money is only one of the many important issues a dating couple should talk about.

Unfortunately, many people who decide to get married never address the topic of money while they are dating. They often assume that money is one of the many life issues that they can deal with as the need arises. They don't realize that sometimes two people's different approaches to money are so significant that it can destabilize the foundation of the relationship they want to build. That's why it's important for couples to clarify where they stand on basic money issues before they decide to become engaged.

Some money-related categories to discuss include:

  • current income and future income goals
  • whether each individual has debt, how it was accumulated (e.g., consumer debt, student loans, mortgage, gambling), and how its paid
  • attitude toward saving money; how each allocates their income
  • how they expect to make financial decisions after marriage
  • long-term financial goals (such as buying a home) and how they anticipate achieving them

It's unlikely that two people will see eye-to-eye on all these topics. Their initial goal is simply to understand each other and identify their similarities and differences. Hopefully, they will then be able to explore how to develop a shared vision of how to incorporate these differences into a mutually agreeable approach. This may seem technical and unromantic, but we believe it's a necessary step for two people who are contemplating marriage. If they can successfully compromise their differences, they'll have laid an important piece of the foundation in their relationship, and will have demonstrated their ability to solve problems as a couple. If they can't develop compatible financial goals and expectations, they are likely to find these differences as a constant source of strife and discontent.

Savings Plan

You've indicated that you and the man you're dating have significantly different approaches toward allocating income and saving money. It sounds as if you try to follow a budget, give a lot of thought and planning to making major purchases, and believe it's important to live within one's means and avoid incurring unnecessary debt. The man you are dating wasn't raised that way and probably doesn't feel that way. He's an impulsive shopper, doesn't think of saving, and comes from a family that at one time incurred debt they couldn't pay.

Try adopting a bit of his "live for today" attitude.

Compromising your differences will require one or both of you to significantly change your mindset. That doesn't mean you should accept a lifestyle of accumulating debt, but it might mean adopting a bit of his "live for today" attitude by setting aside a portion of you respective incomes for that purpose and knowing that you'll sometimes go over that allotment. On the other hand, the man you're dating will have to decide if he wants to live a more financially responsible life, using a budget and a savings plan and learning to delay impulse purchases.

This will all require time and intense discussion, but if you address this topic before you get married, then you will definitely have a much smoother marriage. And beware: If you ignore your significantly different approaches to money, you will immediately encounter a big hurdle once you get engaged and begin to deal with the details of wedding plans and expenses. And that's no way to start a lifetime together!

One final thing: His impulse shopping may point to a more fundamental issue of not understanding the concept of delayed gratification. This is not necessarily the case, but it is prudent for you to be on the lookout for immaturity or impulsiveness that manifests itself in other ways, which could point to a deeper personality problem.

We wish you success in navigating the dating maze.

Rosie & Sherry

Published: August 9, 2009


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Visitor Comments: 12

(12) SusanE, August 20, 2009 3:35 PM

Run.

Paula, your boyfriends spending isn't about the money. It's about him. If you take the overspending away from him, he will find other outlets for his excesses. None of them will be about you and none of them will contribute to your marriage. If you marry him your life will be spent funding his excesses. If you acutally believe the above quoted sentence you wrote to Rosie and Sherry, I honestly believe you are not thinking clearly about a marriage. From your description this man and you don't fit together at all. Finances and respect must fit for a sucessful marriage. Rosie and Sherry are wonderfully generous and accommodating and wise. They try to give the questioners the outcome and results they are requesting. This is understandable and they think of ways to solve problems and ways to show the questioner that despite many options, some problems can't be solved. There answers are always given with a positive note. Thank you Rosie and Sherry for all the great advice.

(11) Regina, August 17, 2009 4:23 PM

one more point

If someone were actually serious about a particular hobby, they tend to look for the best deal they can get on the item that they need, not simply buy the mnost expensive thing they can find to feed their entitlement complex.

(10) Callie, August 17, 2009 7:44 AM

Is this a lack of thriftiness or mental disorder?

Honestly his spending habits are not just frivolous, they sound weird.... Some people are compulsive spenders and for others spending is indicative of underlying mental illness. This is not to say that all those who spend too much are mentally ill, but just those two somewhat bizarre purchases seem to indicate that he's got something else going on. If Paula had said that he bought an expensive suit or watch then maybe he'd be just bad with money. But a microscope and bird watching lense??? Just b/c he had a whim about a hobby, a whim that I am sure passed. Add that to a history of family financial issues. Could that be also a history of erratic behavior in his family??? I know several people who overspend. Two are definately clinically depressed and use shopping as a substitute for therapy and for social lives. I would say the other couple of people I know have also all the signs of bi-polar disorder. They experience these highs where they are suddenly interested in some new hobby or interest and go all out, expensive golf clubs and dance shoes and goodness knows what else purchased without a thought then abandoned a few weeks later when they are on a low or onto the next high about a new hobby. Paula, don't be one of those women who decides that she is going to fix her guy and take him on as a project. He'll saddle you with his debt and you'll be left alone, bitter and with nothing to show for your dedication.

(9) Anonymous, August 17, 2009 12:41 AM

He needs to grow up

He needs to grow up. He can't keep spending money that he doesn't have. You need to have a serious discussion with him over this and he doesn't want to change, end it.

(8) Anonymous, August 16, 2009 6:46 PM

Mutual Debts

Voice of Experience: Don't forget that IF you marry him, EVEN IF have your own accounts and sources of income in many states, HIS DEBTS will become YOUR DEBTS. 1. Example #1: I am married (and hope not much longer) to a 40-something "little boy." Now granted, there are some other mental health issues there, but believe me, the first red-flag was his spending habits. These habits were real indicators of character flaws, especially as life-with-him evolved into lies, harsh words, irresponsibility, illegal behavior, etc. His family also had a history of financial problems and ived beyond their means. Unfortunately, his promises to "learn from his family's mistakes" could not hold-up to the bad habits that he had developed. 2. Example #2: I recently chaired a hiring committee at my place of work. We chose the top candidate and began the (approved) background check. S/he was not hired for the job BECAUSE OF CREDIT-RELATED ISSUES (POSSIBLY) FROM A PREVIOUS MARRIAGE (I have indirectly known the person for several years since we work in related fields, so that is only an educated guess). BE VERY CAREFUL AND AT THE MINIMUM, GIVE THIS A LONG TIME (YEAERS) TO BE SURE THAT ANY "CHANGES" HE MAKES ARE PERMANENT!

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