Jtube: Ushpizin

were prob not angry at g-d. we prob just want s/o to blame r troubles on. s/o who truly loves G-d and knows what Hes all about wont just get angry at Gd

Many great people were "angry" with God, including Moshe. It is "ok" to be angry with God if we are being truely honest with our feelings and we know that they are a representation of our limited knowledge and limited truth.

Amen to Tamara's comment...Anger is never healthy...never productive and is a descecration to Hashem!!!!

I think the better question is should we ever be angry with G-d. If we understand the loving nature of HaShem and the fact that He cares for us then then anger would cease to be a factor in our relationship. Trust is the response He desires for us in all situations. In our human condition we will get angry with HaShem, but in our spiritual relationship we will release the anger as we allow ourselves to totally trust Him. Baruch atah HaShem melekh ha'olam.

Moshe in the movie never had children after nine years of marriage. That may be a source of his frustration.

Unfortunately it is not ok to be angry with Hashem. Hashem gives us so much and we do not have a right to be mad at him. Everything that happens to us is for a reason. It might not make sense to us, but Hashem knows what is best for us. Hashem test us to help us grow. If you want to be the best it takes a lot of work and struggle. Only Hashem knows why everything happens. We have suffering in this world so we can be at a better place in the next. A person that truly appreciates everything and works on himself or herself can control their anger. A buchor slammed reb Moshes hand in a door and he did not even flinch. We need to control ourselves!

To anger is not just human but with in the range of emotions we are created with in the image of G-d. Did not G-d's anger burn at times? But to forgive, to be restored to be reconciled? That is a blessing! A miracle, a gift.

to be angry with G-d. But not for something so trivial as mistakenly eating a fruit, which G-d had nothing to do with anyway. Even Job finally had enough, but at least his grievances were real and serious - not for his material losses, but for the loss of his children. What ever happened to them, anyway?

This title is mistitled. Moshe is not angry with Hashem! He is not even agnry with his visitors; he is angry with their actions. Moshe is tzadek. He know's his visitor's intention of cooking him a meal as a kind of actness and forgiveness for all the troubles they have caused him with his wife. Moshe tells Hashem he doesn't want to be angry. He never says I don't want to be angry with you Hashem. My advise is that we must be very carefull with our wording.

Just like we get angry with our friends and our family members, we get angry with G-d. These are all people, or in G-d's case, a being that we have a relationship with. When we have a relationship with G-d, we may become angry with him, if a person ultimately sees that everything he does is for the best

I don't get what the question has to do with anything, nor why this is on the comedy site.

Seems to me the fellow is praying to G-d to help him forgive the guests who cut up his etrog. That's perfectly appropriate. Where does this come in, being angry at God?

when u get angry at god it means that you have a real relationship and your not just going through the motions but just like in a relationship with another human you need to work things out and you cant stay angry for forever

god does everything for a reoson

David was beloved of God yet he questioned God all through the Psalms. Most of the time when we are angry it is a frustrated outcry of Why, an appeal for rescue from a situation, an anguish over loss with a question -how long oh God must I suffer like this?It is still an acknowledgement of Him and a need for Him.It is usually followed by a release albeit emotional, physical, etc and an answer because he has heard and gives release or understanding. He is full of Mercy and understanding!

Question isn't whether it's okay or not.Being that we're human, we might feel angry at Him at times. Question is what do we do about it.

I have been very angry with our G-D. I have lost everyone I love. It is not easy for me to love anyone and to lose loved ones is devastating.

Why has HASHEM taken all? He has so much and I have so little.

I cannot WAIT to see this movie. A friend just received it and we are planning a night to watch it together. On the question of anger, we only need to go back to Psalms. David had angry conversations with HaShem. It is sometimes how G*d gets us to draw close, especially if we have been lax in having dialouge with Him. It's a matter of how we "hand, le" this anger and what results from it. If we are striving with G*d we should be able to deal with correctly. And as another said, be angry, but ACCEPT whatever G*d's answer may be.

It is normal for a child to react to something felt unfair in the form of a tantrum....we are but chidren and this reaction should be expected....am sure it is understood and accepted

If you are angry with G-d, it will give Him, and you, a chance to dialogue. If you never question G-d how can you know what He asks of you? Hashem gave us a brain and the power of reason so that we could learn, not only from our mistakes, but also from the tests that He gives us.

Since G-d gave us the gift of free will, that will determine how we go about deciding what is His intent, and what man's intent is...As far as the expensive etrog, it teaches that we shouldn't be so materialistic, because that leads to possessiveness and greed. Thus, it is better to have intrinsic satisfaction than extrinsic satisfaction. Intrinsic is self-esteem and extrinsic is ego.

He should never have bought an etrog so expensive in the first place, he should have prayed to God instead of believing that he would have gotten a baby from buying a very good etrog.

When we understand what is being done with his anger towards G-d, then it is quite the opposite of normal anger, it brought him closer. Moshe ran to his special place where he talks one on one to G-d, he held it in until he could call out. It says Hashem loves a broken heart, that anger was just that, and from there the bracha comes, for those that saw the end of the movie it will become clear. This shows us the beautiful relationship Moshe created with Hashem, and even though it is difficult, sometimes Hashem, like a father says NO. WE can be angry, but have to accept that no, as he does.

after watching the whole movie- several times (I do enjoy it!) I think the idea is not that he is angry with G-d - but as they mentioned that before he did tshuvah his anger led to some nasty results- he doesn't want the feeling of anger and thought he had conquered that. Especially as he really wanted to kill those guests who ruined his life- causing the only 2 things that ever mattered to him to be gone- his wife and his esrog. This is the type of anger that to give in to it is the same as worshipping idols- because H-shem rules all and is responsible for all and everything that happens is in our best interests. (even if we can not understand it in the slightest [may we only have revealed good]) When a person is angry at someone else it means that they feel that that person is causing them bad seperate from G-d. That would imply that there is something apart from G-d- that is idol worship.

G-d is G-d! He is creator. He loves us
He is good and just. We must understand that life has its challenges and we must face them. We need to take better care . Our carelessness is not G-d's fault. Learn and move on. Praise G-d for his many blessings. Take greater measures to avoid such loss, whatever it is.

In my experience I have found it is ok to be angry with God. Sometimes, that is the only time we are in a position for Him to teach us, because He has our attention. These situations are how we learn grace and long suffering...even compassion and mercy.

He is a big God...He can take our anger. Praise God for these learning experiences!

As we consider G-od as our father watching over us, it is natural to be angry at him, this just show how much we trust and expect from him. Now not to stay angry is the challenge we must face in order to understand the lesson we can take out of what has angered us...

Like one comentor said, "It happens", I don't think he was angry at G-d, but he was annoyed that he paid a thousand shekel for a beautiful esrog, to fulfill the mitzvah, and he wound up eating it in his salad. He's no blaming Him, but ewants to know why "it" happens to him.

It is fine to be angry at G-d. G-d can handle it. Besides chaos happens and chaos don't come directly from the hand of G-d. Chaos is not punishment, nor karma (because someone did something "wrong") Chaos just happens. G-d didn't finish the world precisely so that we help. If everything were fair why help?

He was confused. And no it's not okay, it's arrogant to be angry with G-d. When Hashem punishes his children it is an act of kindness to help us learn, we may not understand and this may anger us- but who are we to understand the ways of Hashem.

Iyov of all people endured some of the most difficult tests & trials ,and exemplified what is naturally hard to do, but seems like a most commendable response.Job 1:21....,22 "In all this Iyov sinned not nor charged God foolishly."
His wife, suggested he do what comes naturally Job2:9..."curse God and die."
Avraham Aveinu & the Akeida. Both were tested with the loss of their children,
the ultimate in dissapointments.Both realized that God is never to be blamed.

As a finely crafted violin emits all notes beautifully, so does a finely crafted soul emit all emotion. Anger is as unique a note, as joy is. Without all notes, the melody is incomplete.

This was a moving video. I am convinced that God wants to hear all of our emotions, not for us to present a fake front, all prim and proper. Anger is honest. I cry when I get angry, and have since I was a child. Who wants to feel anger? Not I! It is too intense, and it is usually in reponse to powerlessness. Why wouldn't God want to sooth us when we are angry. God is the only One to Whom I can safely express my anger. Yes, yes, yes, for God is a Sanctuary.

We were endowed with all of the human emotions both positive and negative. We were not given God's reasoning to understand everything. Sometimes I become angry when I don't understand who, what, where, or why.

I see this film as a person who wanted some material things so bad that he was angry at himself and felt guilty about being angry. He wanted to be free from the sin of posessiveness.

You can get this movie through Netflix. You can either have them ship you the disk or see it on instant viewing through the Netflix site. (It's a great movie, BTW!)

I have not been angry with G-d. Never. Don't know why. I think it is because I know that everything that happens to me and those around me is for the good. If I am angry about something in general, the anger not directed at G-d. The anger is something I need to figure out and take care of.
I viewed the film Ushpizin again last week. I always find something in the characters actions to apply to my own life choices. It is a wonderful, moving and expertly made film about how our daily choices affect the world around us. Thank you for the question.

I wish I had seen this movie. In this clip, I didn't see him "angry" at G-d. I saw his absolute, unconditional love and acknowledgement of the almighty. Yes, he was angry... but not at G-d... whom he most respectfully called "Ribono Shel Olam". Nor was he angry at his guests, who obviously lacked the knowledge to know better. He was angry about the circumstance, the occurence and possibly the ones before this one... because he asked G-d "WHY?"... instead of insulting either. I have personally been in situations such as this... and have reacted exactly in the same way.

This is the purest form of love... to acknowledge that the only one who could possibly produce an answer or a solution is Hashem.

"In your presence is fullness of joy." Psalm 16:11
It is not ok to be angry with God knowingly. Our lack of understanding can easily lead us to that state nevertheless the bible admonishes us not to lean on our own understanding nor be wise solely in our own eyes. Moses a mighty man of God was turned away from fulfillment of a promise even though he saw it with his eyes and fought so hard for those who brought this about. Rather we should humble our selves before the all knowing God and by faith through prayers let him know our discontents. A state of anger is one that says leave me alone, yet we know in the fullness of joy is the presence of God.

Yes,It's HaShem's desire to have relation with us and He knows the through most of our walk with Him we will not understand the deeper things of that relationship. So, without that maturity we will some times need a release from the tention of troubles in this life. Who else would you go to?

it is all a question of what kind of anger it is and wether or not it comes from a place of faith. is it thrown at G-d or are we using it as a means to get closer to G-d by expressing our truest feelings/frustrations...

Geting angry with G-d is a profound declaration of faith, getting angry with g-d is stating i don't like this, you are in charge/responsible for everything.( You shouldbe respectful about it mind you)...

It is all right to be angry with God. In
the scriptures you will find that God, too, gets angry with us. He understands it all.

His grief isn't with HaShem; its with the fellows with him at lunch(?). But maybe not since they didn't realize what they did wrong. It certainly wasn't intentional and certainly NOT premediated

PROOF ONCE AGAIN THAT "IGNORANCE" TRULY "IS NOT" BLISS.

I agree with all the previous comments....I felt sooo bad for Moshe in the film (from what I can gather about the citron mitzvah and how expensive the fruit was), but if his jailbird friends wanted to please him, they couldn't have been such bad people. I do think he missed an opportunity to teach. And the movie clip ended up being very NOT funny, and neither is the question. But it's a good clip and a good question.

From what I've read, maybe the whole thing depends on which level you are on. I just listened to a lecture this morning on the 5 levels of emunah....maybe there is a similar setup for levels of handling anger. There seems to be infinite levels and degrees to everything in Judaism.

I have no doubt that G-d can handle a person or lots of people being angry at him....from what I've read about Judaism, it's MUCH better to be angry "at the wood chopper (G-d) rather than the axe in his hand (other people)". I highly doubt there is anyone nowadays that could take tragedy or even inconveniences nowadays with an honest, placid smile.

This discussion is (very strangely) very timely for me. I hope to read a lot more comments and thoughts on this issue.

This is very apt about human nature. We sometimes spend a lot of money when maybe we don't really have to and then can get really angry. That's one take.

Also, there is a famous chassidic tale about a rabbi who spent a lot of money on an esrog. When his wife broke the pitum, he refused to get angry. He said I lost my esrog, but I don't want to lose my temper.

Yes, it is OK to be angry at God. Ask Him why, what, or who caused you pain. It's better to be angry at God than your fellowman. He will use it as a way to bring you to Him.

It's not Ok to be angry with G-d. However, I know how this man felt because something was taken from me as well.

Seven years ago my Son, Michael was murdered and I went through the same drama diplayed in this film. Only, I acted like this for over a year. And then I enternalized the anger for about another two years.

The one who grants life and death showed me that all is known to him only and athough we feel we have the right to questtion or be angry with him, he waits patiently for us to be comforted by his loving peacefull wisdom. And when we accept it we see that we had no right to be angry with G-d at all.

When I look at Jeromiah, Nathaniel, and Isaic (My Grandsons) I see Michael and know that all that anger was waisted time that could have been spent wisely with them. I thank G-d for his loving patience and divine guidance. It's not OK to be angry with HaShem, but he uderstands us and waits for his wisdom to sink in...much like us when our children are angry with us about something they don't fully understand yet.

Joyous Sukkot,

Elam

Everyone gets angry with their parents and G-d is our parent like we are our children's parents, like our parents were to us. We get angry, that's a human emotion. G-d understands that and is still there for us during our anger and still there when we get over whatever it is we're angry at Him for just like we would be for our children or our parents would be for us. It's okay to be angry with G-d. He gets angry with us. It reciprocates but underneath it all, there is always still the love, and I think that's what matters the most.

Saw the movie before attending a synagogue regularly. Will need to see again. One thing that has drawn me to those who wrestle with God, is just that. I have wrestled with God all my life. Knowing that I am not alone in doing so has done wonders for my soul. And knowing that there is a time to wrestle and a time to be at peace with God has dones wonders for my soul as well. Healthy expression of anger.

I didn't see the movie. Your question is not relevant to the scene. I was very moved by it. A yid that confronts his shortcomings, in this case anger, and begs HKB"H to help him overcome his deficiency, moves heaven and earth. This is the simple Jew the BeShT praised so often. The one who pushes aside his reality (the money, the ignorant friends, even the esrog) in order to be connected to G-d, no matter what. Ah, were I that Jew!

G-d is not responsible for the incident. The etrog should have been placed in a more secured area no matter what the cost was. The two men unaware of the value of the etrog and history behind it, certainly never meant any harm. Although, one must find the best etrog possible, it should not become the most important thing. G-d does not require us to spend so much money for an etrog but rather live a life of perfection with HIM. An opportunity is being presented here to explain to the two men the importance of the etrog for the Jew at this time and maybe, possibly, they would replace it. They produced a beautiful meal for Moshe so surely there is some good in them.

Seems to me that he's not angry at G-d at allhe's angry at himslef that he's angry. he sees that G-d is testing him and feels that he's been pushed as far as he can go. The true test of a righthtous person is that step beyond what he thinks he can bear , and yet still bear it.

Whom ever saw this movie and truly understood it, would not even ask this question! The movie shows a pure form of EMUNAH i have never seen and i was moved and admired the couple in the movie! THe movie showed a love between two people in its most beautiful form, pure, selfless, unmaterialistic and full of faith and devotion to the G-d they love!
I learned so much from this movie, and the fact that he was angry with g-d did not enter my mind even once.

Not sure why you posted such a serious and moving scene completely out of context...and as a 'Jewlarious' offering, which is supposed to be funny, it does not work.

Ushpizin is one of my favorite movies in recent memory. I highly recommend it for all.

On the question you asked: to have an honest relationship with HaShem, the answer is most certainly yes...we always get angry at those we love most...

Yes! Anger is normal. He is the first/last One to blame.

Being questioned or even cursed doesn't threaten God: God's understanding and love is infinite, and anger often opens the discussion: it can get us talking to God in a way that happiness cannot.

The first response was right on target: In this film Moshe was trying not to be angry with his guests. Anger with God was not the issue. Which doesn't diminish the question and the subsequent responses.

it seems when we are angry, it is because we arn't getting our own way in things. we even perceive that we are about to encounter a situation where we dont get our own way and we become angry....when we do this, arn't we putting ourself above HK'BH????

Such a sad video. My heart went out to the guy.

Moshe experience moral outrage, not anger towards Hashem. Ultimately he laid down in supplication. Moshe's faith was never shaken...

Side note...I highly recommend watching this movie in its entirety. It offers insight not only into orthodoxy but also into the span of human emotion and the possibility of transformation in both body and soul.

As far as the question, is it okay to be angry with God, I think it is. Anger is a natural emotion and it is only through cognitive adjustments and growing faith that we are able to overcome it, or at least subdue it and recognize it for what it is - a feeling. As with any emotion, though, we must learn to conquer anger by not allowing it to taint our actions. So, in summary, I think it's okay to express our feelings to God, as long as we do it respectfully. God knows what we are thinking/feeling anyway so why try to hide? I think it's very positive to have an open dialogue with God.

check out this video on the website of jewishimpact films and click on "rabbi Green on Purim"

G-d certainly would not fault a man whose unknowing friends wanted to please him by adding some zest to his life.

The question should be "is it possible to be angry at G-d?" if one learns more about how infinitely Great G-d is, then he will have an easier time accepting hardships, and understanding that ultimately everything in this world is good for us, and only meant for our purpose, and that includes suffering.

the book "when bad things happen to good people" does mention some good points, such as G-d helps us cope with grief...BUT, it goes against the most basic core of jewish belief: There is only ONE G-d, HE is ONLY GOOD, and therefore, everything that branches out of HIM is good.

we're just too short-lived, and narrow-sighted to see the full picture. it's a shame that some people dont get to see this until they're near death, or even past it.

Yes, of course it is. We're human beings and we get angry. At the same time, I'm not sure what happened that made Moshe so angry. Did God move his citron from Moshe's apartment to his friends'?

I believe the book *When Bad Things Happen to Good People* explained it best. I just can't remember the Rabbi's last name now.

what do I meant? We are like a child in front of God. A child that many times does't understand his father.Eventhoug he doesn't understand HIm, he still love's Him and of course his Father love him more.

I love that scene in the movie. G-d would rather us be like that than not acknowledge Him at all. He can take it.
It's all about relationship to Him

It is okay to get angry with God, in fact, we all do at times. Even at least 5 psalms show that King Davis was very angry with God and yet he was a man after God's own heart. He admitted his anger.

I am frequently angry with GOD...I have arguments with HIM in my head about all sorts of things.Of course HE never comments,but I am sure HE hears and listens

I am disappointed with the last couple of comments. I think it is wrong to state that one can't be angry with God. Anger is an emotion and can be a very healthy one. We see plenty of biblical sources that showed anger to God. Just check out Abraham when God wanted to kill the inhabitants of Sodom. Abraham says to God "Far be it for You to do such a thing, to bring death upon the innocent as well as the guilty, so that innocent and guilty fare alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?' (Genesis 18:25)
God is like our father and all he wants is for us to be close to him. If we get angry at Him and feel bad or guilty about it we will only shut down and distance ourselves. If you don't understand why God does what He does to you and it upsets you, then express it to Him. It is much worse to not talk to God then to express your confusion and anger to Him. Scream, shout, and yell as long as you keep talking to Him. The guy in the clip is angry and is expressing it. Why state it differently? It does mean he does not love God anymore. He is just rightfully confused and upset and is trying to work out his emotions to come closer to God.

This is a frustrating situation--and a halachically challenging one. He's doing chesed by providing his friends shelter. However, his friends are nonobservant jailbirds who have probably never done a kind thing for anyone their entire lives. Thus, he's done a mitzvah that allows his friends to sin (ie, evade punishment for their crimes). Furthermore, he knows they've rejected G-d's law by never bothering to learn it, but as I recall (it's been awhile since I saw the movie), he never attempt to teach them the law--not even the laws of Sukkot, which may have prevented the situation that caused his anguish (ie, using the etrog to season the salad). If this is an accurate representation of the film, then it shows a serious failing of the frum world. It is one thing to want to "closet" yourself with people who live according to the same set of principles as yourself, but that desire reflects an almost perverse form of self-indulgence if it keeps you from helping others learn the law. We Jews are all responsible for one another. If all of us are commanded to keep the law, then those who do should reach out to those to don't--even if they don't expect them to observe the law--rather than sit and stew over the "fallen ones," rather than to sit in judgement. We are all flawed in one way or another. So, there comes a time when one has to put aside one's black hat or shaytil and treat one's fellow Jew like a human being, rather than merely sitting in judgement. There is only One True Judge.

I agree with anonymous. The anger wasn't directed at God. In this case, the anger was a path to something else. He wanted to understand why life is difficult, even when you do the right thing. He asks for mercy because he couldn't understand & wanted to. He spoke to God much like a child speaks to a parent when they are frustrated & want to have some control over their life.

In this movie, Ushpizin, the character Moshe Balanga is not really angry with Hashem, he just doesn't know what to do with himself! One must see the whole film, and see all that poor Moshe has been through. After he spent so much of his small fortune on a beatiful esrog, just for hidor mitzvah, this happens.
But One should never be angry with Hashem! All He does is for our own good, with love, and many times, it's a test. Hashem is watching over everyone & will help everyone. And as we see later in this film, Moshe is blessed with a baby boy finally, after passing his test!

This person is trying to control his anger at another person!! He is beseeching G-d to help him not get angry!! He is asking Why was he given this test?!! Very interesting way of dealing with a terrible disappointment.