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Schmoozing with Terrorists

Schmoozing with Terrorists

From Hollywood to the Holy Land, Jihadists reveal their global plans to a Jew.


The people who kill Jews and other westerners for a living would seem to be a bit hard for nice Jewish boy to sit down and chat with about why they do what they do. But in Schmoozing with Terrorists, Aaron Klein -- Jerusalem bureau chief for World Net Daily -- shares the wide-ranging conversations he has had with many of the top Arab Palestinian terrorist leaders in Israel about exactly that topic.

Klein's conversations covered the gamut from why Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Fatah's al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades endorse the use of homicide bombing in light of the Koranic ban on suicide; to the way in which the terrorist leaders nakedly reject documented archeological and historical connections between Jews and Israel; to the ongoing persecution of Christians by Muslims in Bethlehem, Gaza and other cities.

Klein's style is conversational and personal: he never hides his own perspective or the fact that he is an Orthodox Jew. And yet those whom he interviews, although occasionally bridling at some of Klein's questions, are perfectly comfortable meeting with him and articulating their views and goals.

The Arab Palestinian leaders with whom Klein spoke are very candid about their dreams not only to wipe out Israel, but to establish a worldwide caliphate.

The Arab Palestinian leaders with whom Klein spoke are very candid about their dreams not only to wipe out Israel, but to establish a worldwide caliphate. Their plans for American society should awaken anyone who thinks the Arab terrorists are only Israel's problem. And it should also smack awake all the moral relativists who equate Israel's security measures with hegemonic brutality.

A deputy commander of Fatah's al Aqsa Martyrs Bridade, Nasser Abu Azziz, explained to Klein that when sharia law is imposed in Western countries, "these sick people [homosexuals] will be treated in a very tough way," explaining that the Islamic leadership will "prevent social and physical diseases like homosexuality." All the terrorists whom Klein interviewed agreed that homosexuality would not be tolerated in the US once Islam rules.

And homosexuality is not all they condemn. The failure of western women to conform to Islamic standards of dress will reap harsh responses including, if necessary, torture. Sheik Hamad, a Hamas cleric, said those women who refuse to cover themselves in conformity with Islamic values would be punished either by imprisonment, whipping or stoning. And we aren't just talking about Madonna's bustiers: under the standard described by Klein's interviewees, even Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg -- who does in fact wear a robe -- would be a target for stoning. She's omitted the head covering.

Given the opportunity to explain the source of Arab Palestinian terrorism, Klein's subjects contradict standard lore. Klein was told by Abu Ayman, the commander of Islamic Jihad in Jenin, that Muslims are strictly forbidden from becoming suicide bombers if they are motivated by anything -- including desperate poverty or revenge for Israeli wrongdoing to this individual -- other than love of Allah. When Klein pointed out to a young man in training to become a "martyr" CNN's claim that suicide bombing was motivated by poverty and despair, Abu Ahmed was visibly affronted and called it "Israeli propaganda."

The most bizarre and brazen interview Klein describes is with Sheikh Taysir Tamimi, the chief Palestinian Justice and one of the most important clerics in the Middle East. Tamimi lectured Klein that "there is no Jewish historic connection whatsoever to the Temple Mount or Jerusalem," and that the "Jews came to the [Temple area] in 1967 and not before."

Tamimi responded to Klein's recitation of archeological findings and historical connections: "These archeological things you cite are lies." Tamimi simply erases Judaism's connection to the Holy Land by ignoring irrefutable and concrete evidence of inconvenient facts. Such distortions are particularly troubling because Tamimi is an enormously influential Imam whose view of history is eagerly imbibed by his followers. Echoing Tamimi is Nasser Abu Aziz whose rhetoric, while perhaps inelegant, was crystal clear: "We are fed up with this crap nonsense of the Temple Mount."

Klein's interviews show that Palestinian leaders have also, and repeatedly, perpetrated a vile hoax on their acolytes. The myth of the seventy-two virgins in paradise who await each martyr is a theme echoed and believed by those who extol and consider suicide bombing an option. Klein's subjects do not explain how the appetite for virgins fits with the love of Allah as an incentive for becoming a suicide bomber.

When asked about the source for the promise of the 72 virgins, Ala Senakhreh, West Bank chief of Fatah's Martyrs Brigade, insisted such a promise was made in the Koran. When pressed about where exactly that promise could be located, neither Senakhreh nor any of his dozen henchmen clerics present could find such a passage. After much anxious searching, the Sheik became increasing hostile and Klein quickly left. He had apparently discovered the point at which the terrorists' hospitality collided with their refusal to be questioned closely about their ideological weapons.

I worry that this enlightening and highly readable book may not reach as many readers as it should because its name and title undercut its serious subject. The word "schmoozing" is known by and appeals to a rather limited audience. The cover picture shows a large grenade seated on a leather armchair. Perhaps the picture is easy shorthand for what he did, but there is something lighthearted about it that undercuts the gravity of Klein's book.

Nonetheless, and in addition to the glimpses Klein provides, at least two overarching questions are raised by this book.

are the rest of the journalists who call Israel their beat unable to obtain the same information?

First, Aaron Klein, a product of Philadelphia suburban Jewish religious schools, moved to Israel and within a few years was able to gain audiences -- as an identified Jew and a journalist -- with the most senior Arab Palestinian terrorists, who spoke to him frankly about their plans and their views. This forces us to ask: where is the rest of the press corps? If these murder merchants happily speak at length about their desire to murder and torture those who don't fit their religious profiles, why are the rest of the hundreds of journalists who call Israel their beat unable to obtain the same information? Do they prefer to stick with the standard mendacious narrative, either because they believe it or because they are too afraid to approach the terrorist leadership? Neither answer says anything favorable about the press corps.

Second, why are all those on the political left, those who identify themselves as advocates for minorities, so convinced that Israel is the villain and the Arab Palestinians are the victim? Anyone who claims to favor women's rights, gay rights, ideological tolerance, freedom of the press, of speech, of association, of religion, in fact, nearly all of the icons of the political left, should logically support the Israeli narrative. Instead, most of those in this country who fit the profile of the left support the Arab Palestinian narrative. Yet Klein's interviewees freely articulate their categorical rejection of the ideas these groups hold dear. And when these people categorically reject an idea, we're not talking polite disagreement over cocktails: we're talking beheading in the town square, as Klein's interviewees state in plain English. Yet these groups -- QUIT (Queers Undermining Israeli Terror) is my own personal favorite -- continue to support terrorists who would happily slaughter their western advocates if they attained the power they seek.

While Klein's book doesn't answer these questions, it provides the necessary proof that willful ignorance and cowardice play a strong role in the current widespread distribution of sympathy for the Arab Palestinian narrative.

Click here to purchase a copy of Schmoozing with Terrorists.

This article originally appeared in the American Thinker.

February 23, 2008

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(15) Rick Salcer, March 4, 2008 6:15 AM

don't assume

A fascinating book, indeed. I have no doubt that Mr. Klein has done Judaism and those who need to wake up to the reality of the Arab agenda a great service.

I take exception, though, to the notion perpetrated in your e-mailings that those of us on the political left must all be painted with a broad brush of stereotypical behavior.

I am a liberal and very proud to be so â€" no need on my part to re-name myself a "progressive". I believe in all the rights stated in your missive: women's rights, gay rights, ideological tolerance, freedom of the press, of speech, of association, of religion, in fact, nearly all of the icons of the political left. And as a matter of fact, I do support the Israeli narrative, as do many of my liberal friends. Jimmy Carter may be a liberal, but I have no problem declaring that he is seriously deluded about the nature and the truth of Israeli-Arab history.

Israel has been and continues to be the victim of Arab murderers. Period. But not all Arabs are murderers and you should not treat them as such.

Far too often, the religious and political right wing in the United States wrap themselves not only in the American flag, but the Israeli flag as well. YOU DO NOT OWN IT. Your love of Israel is not your exclusive property. My friends and family have long memories, especially about the murderous nature of the Arab extremists. I have had family in Israel since 1938 and they have all experienced Israel's history and fought to defend the Jewish State, yet they are no lovers of the political rightists in Israel who see only a future of dispair and permanent war. They also know quite a number of Arabs, none of whom has told them that they want anything other than to live in peace with Israel.

One of my relatives who lives in both Israel and Germany has developed a highly successful program that brings together Jewish and Arab children and teenagers for workshops and activities in which they spend weeks together learning about each other and getting to like each other, free of the propaganda on either side of the Middle East dilemma. As they get to understand each other, they get to trust one another. She is lighting candles of hope, rather than cursing the darkness.

The Arab world is at war with itself. It bleats out antisemitic rants in a desperate attempt to maintain the fiction that Israel, nay, every Jew, is their mortal enemy. It does so to divert the attention of their peoples from the near total failure of Arab governments and Islamic institutions to provide them with a better life. Fatah is at war with Hamas. Sunnis are at war with Shiites. The Egyptian government, unlike Israel's Moslem ally Turkey, has failed to show its people that secular Islam has more to offer than religious immersion. It is no surprise that the mullahs and political gangleaders with whom Mr. Klein met lapsed into sputtering fury when he caught them in their own contradictions about murder solely for the "love of Allah".

Virtually all of your e-mailings start out on a reasonable note but then toward their end descend into hard-hearted intransigence about Arabs. They sink into stereotypes. I have no doubts whatsoever that one has to keep on one's guard against the inhumanity of Hamas, Al Qaeda, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, the Mahdi Army and a host of other thugs masquerading as the light of their peoples.

Prior to 1967, the world saw Israel as brave David. Today, through the lack of Israel to speak eloquently about its cause in the world press, we have the relentless Islamic noise machine trying to cast us as Goliath. Israel must find its voice again. It must find minds and speakers who present Israel's case with the eloquence of an Abba Eban, not the vitriol of Benjamin Netanyahu, not the bull-in-the-china-shop attitude of Sharon.

The Islamists can try to deny the truth of history all they want. They can spit and splutter and weave their own fantasies of denial of the eternal nature of the Jewish Homeland. In the end, they make fools of themselves. Let us not despair in the face of their noise and give them credence by doing so. Ultimately, everyone wants to live in peace, to earn a living, to get along. Yes, even the average Arab. To offer peace is never a sign of weakness. We all know Israel has a mighty sword in its other hand.

(14) Richard Friedman, February 29, 2008 2:27 PM

Media restricts such dialog from being published

In my own dialogs with several international Journalist, I have heard that they all were restricted from publishing frank dialogs with and the many undeniable FACTS about the terrorists. There were film and interview
opportunities readily available outlining the entire plan for the recent Intifada, plus copies of the Palestinian hate campaigns that were paid for with US, Canadian and EU funds under the teach peace programs that brought in several Billion $ to the PA; all of which were available to journalists IN ADVANCE, yet no media outlet would publish it.

Seems strange considering how well it would have sold - nothing short of prime news that would have blown the ratings off the charts for any medai company.

It obviously has to do with the por-Palestinean bias that the [ corporate] media continues to hold, despite the glaring facts that support the potential extinguishment of the very freedom of the press that this country was founded on.

In short the media rights like the gay or other freedom of expression would surely (as your article expresses)be outlawed. This is one of the many facts that proves that the media is restricted and deliberately biased in favor of the 'poor Palestineans' who want to kill us infidels along with the many infidels who they have brainwashed into supporting them.

Further why are rioters and Terrorists constantly referred to in the media as 'militants'...? Surely they would not be called that if they appeared with similar aggressions on the white house lawn.

Another obvious fact is that these 'militants' are supplied with small arms and sophisticated weaponry including missiles that only could be purchased and transported with the approval and support and training provided by a foreign government.

Why does the media fail to acknowledge that it is in fact a proxy war against Israel financed by it's neighbors?

How about the Whabi party's influence on virtually ALL Islamic education...? Who pays for the Islamic Centers, think-tanks, and how do they control most if not all of the Universities Islamic studies programs that imbue students with the falsehood that Thomas Hobbs proclaimied would never prevail in a truly free press....?

So why are accredited journalists not permitted to publish these and any other FACTS that might let the public see what is really going on...?

who controls er...ugh.... I mean 'influences' the press on this topic so well...?

(13) Howard, February 28, 2008 2:53 PM

Haven't we learned anything from 8 years.

Go back 15 years, Clinton is president, we have a Palestine Authority, trade and uneasy relations, and ongoing peace talks. Things are reasonably good for Israel and the U.S. Ongoing negotiation and meetings help resolve issues, facilitate peace, and postpone weightier, insoluble issues.

Move 8 years ahead, the Republicans, Ariel Sharon, and they say, Wait till we get in, you'll see what we can do.
We are going to set rules about what our adversaries can do, who we talk to, we dictate to them and straighten them out.

After 8 years, we see the failure of George W. Bush's policies which did what the writer and others suggested.

We have to return to the policies which succeeded, ongoing negotiations, meeting, carrot as well as stick (money spent for reconstruction and aid in Arab countries would have increased US credibility and cost 1/10000 of the cost of the Iraqi war), and recognizing that minimizing tensions is an end in itself. Six presidents (and three Jewish Secretary of States or envoys) who engaged in diplomacy, Nixon, Bush, Sr., Ford Reagan, Carter, Clinton, are not wrong, and one feeble-minded president, Bush, Sr. who said we don't negotiate with people we do not like is not right. Nixon one of the best friends of Israel negotiated with Syria.

Please don't identify yourselves with the failed policies of the Bush administation.

(12) Raymond, February 28, 2008 1:35 PM

The Answer

Rabbi Berel Wein provided the answer to a similar paradox.
Why the french are simultaneously anti-arab and pro-palestinian.
The answer he said, is because they dislike the Jews more than the Arabs.

(11) Anonymous, February 28, 2008 1:27 PM

Why Klein got the access he did

I expect that Aaron Klein was able to get information that the rest of the press corps is unable to get specifically BECAUSE he is an Orthodox Jew. Anything he says or writes can be written off as lies and Israeli propaganda.

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