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January 4, 2012 3:45 AM
Why The West Bank belongs to the Jews
The Bible says it belongs to the Jews. Read Genesis 17:19-21, Genesis 15:18 and And Solomon reigned over all kingdoms from the river unto the land of the Philistines, and unto the border of Egypt: they brought presents, and served Solomon all the days of his life 1 Kings 4:21. They owned lots more land than they have now, they are due more land than they have per the Bible.
August 24, 2011 4:56 PM
What is the dispute over the West Bank?
There is no dispute over the West Bank of Israel. No grounds for it. If Arabs want to dispute over "a" West Bank, they need to go to Arabia's West Bank. Let's spell it out/THE ARABS ARE FIGHTING FOR THE RIGHTS OF THE WRONG WEST BANK! Historically speaking, and though Israel included the East of the Jordan river, history of the beginning of Arabs were birthed there, East of the Jordan River South, far South. I am not saying Arabs can't live in the land of Israel, however, if the Palestinians (as they call themselves) are looking for land to start their own nation, they are looking in the wrong place. Also, if they think they will call it "Palestine" from an original speaking term, they couldn't, for it only applied to those escaping the Arab nation, and coming to a Jewish one, and going through the ritual of becoming Jews. Mr. Ayalon is correct, there never was an Arab Palestine, whose religion was anything else besides Jewish. Historically, they had escaped from a non-Jewish nation of people, and joined with the Hebrews who had crossed over and landed on the West Bank of Israel, coming from the West, that being Egypt, returning to their land after being exiled 400 yrs. The Arabs that had escaped from Moab and Ammom, were leaving behind them Mitzraim and the gods of the Moabites, to return to the first fruits of Lot's original family he came from. Returning, before the fall. Does this sound like the people who call themselves Palestinians today? A few rotten apples in the bucket, like Goliath was in his family.
August 22, 2011 3:20 PM
newsflash concerning westbank, G-D gave the land to ISRAEL. the ONE and ONLY G-D, the G-D of ISRAEL. and if you dont like that, then you will really not like the fact that Danny Ayalon is right. the land is much more than what we see today. G-D BLESS ISRAEL.
November 13, 2011 5:08 PM
This God gave the land argument only convinces co-religionists
Religious Jews may believe this but not their enemy, and not people of other religions. This argument is insufficient in the modern world. You might argue that Jews have history in the land; that is was their land--but even then God didn't "give" it to them; they won it in battle. Then someone else won it in battle. Then the UN made it possible for the Jews to build a nation there, but they immediately had to win it and defend it in battle. In war, each side believes their God is on their side. In the US football teams beleive it too--and it is the same god usually. But only one side wins.
August 13, 2011 8:26 PM
Very good information and well presented.
July 28, 2011 2:11 PM
the tachlis/point of the matter seems to bemissed which is as follows:
"Ayalon argues, among other things, “The West Bank should not be considered ‘occupied’ because there was no previous legal sovereign in the area and therefore the real definition should be ‘disputed territory.’ Ayalon neglects to mention that the salient point about the West Bank might not be who the “legal sovereign” was 44 years ago, but that actual people of another ethnic group live on the West Bank and don’t want to be ruled — “occupied” would be another word for “ruled” — by a foreign power. To most of the world, at least (and to many, many Israelis and a clear majority of American Jews) this is what matters"
September 9, 2011 3:39 AM
Good man nice to see some Jews do support peace !
December 13, 2011 6:54 AM
Get your facts straight first
watch "the truth about the peaqce process" and then do some homework.
July 27, 2011 7:23 PM
Like Solomen the Wise, give the land to those who are more willing to live in peace with its neighbors.
July 27, 2011 9:22 AM
At the risk of being redundant...
...some of the comments here are nonsensical. One actually advocates ethnically cleansing several million people to Jordan. There are always crazy comments on article related to Israel, but usually from the other side.
Brad in AZ,
July 27, 2011 5:13 AM
If Palestinians were Apaches:
As America was settling in the Central and Western lands then Finally in the Southwest, the Apache tribes were "in the way". They had no representation, each time a treaty was made the U.S. broke them. NOT the Apache. Finally, the Apache was hunted down and settled in "reservations". Ironically, the Southern Apache was given an area quite nice, in fact, weather wise Southeastern Arizona has very mild summers at 4500 foot elevations. When mineral deposits of gold, silver, and copper were discovered, the Southwest Apaches were carted off to various other reservations in different states. The U.S. has no right to tell Israel what to do with their land! The Palestianian Problem is messy with many concerns. What to do with Non-peaceful Palestianians.
After Pearl Harbor, we carted all our nationalized Japanese into fenced camps and gave them rice and water. So we should tell you what to do? American Ingenuity. Aww, Nuts.
July 26, 2011 2:52 PM
Nice try, but gets pretty much everything wrong
Danny Ayalon gets pretty much everything wrong in this video. 1) Saying that there was never a Palestinian state is a straw man. There were people there although they never conceived of themselves as Palestinians until the 20th century, in response to Zionism. But similar things are true of most nationalisms. The cold fact is that at the time of the Balfour Declaration, what later became mandatory Palestine was ~89% Arab, with the ~11% of Jews in the area, mostly recent immigrants, or anti-Zionists.
2) Jordan indeed illegally occupied the West Bank, but there are major differences. A) It annexed the WB and gave the Palestinians citizenship which Israel did not do with the Palestinians - a huge difference, a component of legitimacy. B) Israel is very credibly reported to have collaborated with King Abdullah in 1948 to divide up the area slated for a Palestinian state. That's one of the reasons Jordan was there in the first place, to use Danny Ayalon's term.
4) What right did the British have to give Palestine to any nation? They didn't even have physical control of most of Palestine at the time of the Balfour Declaration. I would say similar things about the San Remo conference, where the imperialist powers divided up conquered territory according to their own interests.
5) Removing Transjordan from the mandate was not a compromise by the Zionist movement. There were three Jews living in what became Transjordan in 1921. That is not a "painful compromise."
There is in fact much more, but I'm running out of space. Even forgetting the other bits of Ayalon's claim, his case for our right to build settlements rests on a legal technicality - nice, perhaps legitimate, but not some grand moral "we are completely right and they are completely wrong" thing.
Unfortunately, anyone using these arguments against an educated opponent will get creamed.
Brad in AZ,
July 27, 2011 5:40 AM
The formation of the State of Israel is because they are coming back to claim their right. Why they would want to settle around hostile Arab nations in the first place is beyond me. But they have done it. In 1948, they should have been drove into the sea. In 1967, again, they should have been "wiped off the map", but they weren't. They will probably again be risen against by these Arab nations and again be attacked. The same power that kept them in '48 and '67 will show up again.
When something is supposed to be, you can't stop it.
July 27, 2011 5:30 PM
His Spin, Your Spin
Factually both you and Danny Ayalon make valid points, but the lack of context in which some of these points are made is misleading in itself. For example, did you get a look at the area covered by the British Mandate as opposed to the area which the returning Jews were interested in reclaiming? You also disregard (as, by the way, does Ayalon) the historical and religious value of the disputed region. The issue is not simple and while some selection of the facts may be required so as not to overload the discussion, the choice of which facts to emphasize can be quite revealing.
July 27, 2011 7:47 PM
Yes, the area in which the ZIonist movement wanted was smaller than the original mandate, though actually larger than present-day Israel and the WB. But Ayalon made the point (which everyone seems to make) that giving up Transjordan was a concession, which it wasn't. The issue isn't really pertinent to Ayalon's legalistic claim that the West Bank is really the disputed territory of Judea and Samaria, but it shows that everyone praising the video is simply wrong on this point. Ayalon was tying to make a legal or factual case, necessarily avoiding biblical claims, which is why I don't bring it up.
July 28, 2011 10:25 PM
Anger and hatred leads to pontificating nit wits
Ilans comments are very very emotional and also inaccurate. He chooses to listen to he wants to based on his emotions and not facts
July 25, 2011 9:12 PM
Great. I was worried there were some remaining withems there...how could I worry about you.....this was good...I didn't know how far to the other side of the Jorden River Israel had boundry. Thanks and Love Sus
July 25, 2011 3:32 PM
Rectification of Names
Thank you for this clear explanation of what the media have unfortunately turned into a quite confusing issue for non-Israelis like me.
May I suggest that Israel engage in what the Chinese call "The Rectification of Names." Until the proper names are given to things, quarrels and confusion will prevail. Change West Bank in all Israeli media releases to Judea and Samaria, Don't ever use the term "occupied territories." That will help the rest of us understand what is actually going on. You can't fight an enemy when you fight on his terms and use his terms.
July 25, 2011 12:55 AM
I completely agree with the Deputy Foreign Minister even though I thought he should have gone far back in history in proving that the so called occupied territories are actually part of the land of Israel that dates back more than 2800 years. Why would the State of Israel be negotiating over this land anyways?
July 24, 2011 11:47 PM
I do not understand?
I do not understand how some Americans can be against Israel's right to defend its self.Look what the USA did because of1 set of attacks.We are fighting in 2 countries as a direct result of 9-11.If the Canadians or Mexicans were firing guns,rockets or kidnapping our citizens we would level them but some people just act like we r allowed or have the right to defend ourselves and no one else is allowed.I do not understand this thinking.
July 24, 2011 10:58 PM
Call for the original lands given in the Balfour Declaration.
Call for a return of all lands of the original Balfour declaration including that which was given away by the British, then you will here some screaming. I always bring that point home to those who ignorantly cry over the Palestinians, and berate Israel as being so bad. In return I get a what do you mean? or we cant talk to you because are a your a blank blank.
Must be nice to pick and chose your version of history that you had no involvement in. Me I stand by the original lands set aside and push that point home to the anti Israel and Jewish people.
July 24, 2011 8:08 PM
Israel & the West Bank
To me the geographic and religious issues will always be controversial. I.e., they will be fighting over the West Bank and Israel for the foreseeable future. Jews make the perfect bad guys for Muslims worldwide to blame for all their problems. Rather than try to improve life for their own people. The Muslims do not want Israel and the Jews to exist period. Jews believe they have a mandate from God not only to exist but to have Israel. Being Jewish, I agree. It says so in the Bible.
The Israeli's problem as I see it, is there are more Arabs than Jews if they were to incorporate the West Bank into the rest of Israel. They want to be a democratic Jewish state but it's hard to do if you have more Arabs than Jews living there. That is their dilemma hence the current state of the West Bank and it's Jewish settlements.
That's what I think for what it's worth.
July 24, 2011 5:48 PM
No Such thing as Palestine and Paestinians
THE HISTORY AND MEANING OF "PALESTINE" AND "PALESTINIAN"
By Patricia Berlyn
"There is no such thing as a Palestinian Arab nation ... Palestine is a name the Romans gave to Eretz Israel with the express purpose of infuriating the Jews ... Why should we use the spiteful name meant to humiliate us?
"The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation's supposed ancient name, though they couldn't even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity."
- Golda Meir
"From the end of the Jewish state in antiquity to the beginning of British rule, the area now designated by the name Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries. ..."
-- Professor Bernard Lewis Princeton University
Palestine has never existed ... as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.
Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today . . . No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.
-- Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist "Myths of the Middle East"
Talking and writing about Israel and the Middle East feature the nouns "Palestine" and Palestinian", and the phrases "Palestinian territory" and even "Israeli-occupied Palestinian territory". All too often, these terms are used without regard to their historical or geographical meaning, so that the usage creates illusions rather than clarifies facts.
July 24, 2011 3:32 PM
About time, Mr.Ayalon!
It seems to me that this video has been long overdue! Listening and seeing the media, we have wondered why Israel has simply tell all these "inventions" circulate without doing much about displaying the facts as they had really happend. Please deverlope more such videos AND send them to the press!
July 24, 2011 3:10 PM
The "solution" is to repatriate the Arabs to the real country - JORDAN
July 24, 2011 2:42 PM
towns & suburbs
We need to stop calling them settlements - they're suburbs and towns. And their residents are ..... residents, not settlers.
July 24, 2011 2:07 PM
As Abba Eban stated some 40 years ago, "The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss and opportunity." I wonder why that quote hasn't resonated much with the broader international community that has the mantra that Israel is "occupying Palestine."
July 24, 2011 1:58 PM
Unfortunately Danny - threw out the baby - with the bath water.
Danny Ayalon's dissertation - was a great SECULAR LEGAL look at - the Middle East problem.
Unfortunately - Danny - threw the baby out with the bath water. So to speak.
When he CALLOUSLY disregarded G-D - and threw out and discarded- the only TRUE REASON - Israel can exist. THE BIBLE as he said. The TORAH COVENANT & LAWS - G-D GAVE THE JEWISH NATION/PEOPLE.
Without presenting to the audience the Torah - we are denying the audience - the TRUE understanding - of our Jewish Heritage and right to claim - ALL OF THE LAND OF ISRAEL - given by G-D.
Thereby -subjecting the audience - to only understand the secular humanistic legal position - of whomever - holds the keys to the legal paradigm. Which changes - with the winds of time - according to and of the secular beliefs - of those who hold the paradigm.
It also denies G-D's Torah before the audience. Leaving them with - a purely secular humanistic legal - argument to deal with.
For which the answer - will be based solely upon - whatever humanistic secular beliefs - that they currently hold.
WE - must ask our leaders - how they can expect a good moral - legal answer - long term answer and peace.
When THEY cower - and are afraid - and Deny G-D's promise - deny His Torah Covenant & Laws - before our enemies.
As well as cowing - before our so-called supporters - who also believe - the Torah Covenant - was axed by G-D.
Now - the land belongs to the beliefs they espouse.
It's time - we hold our leaders accountable - TO G-D - and to His Torah Covenant & Laws.
Without this - we cannot expect G-D - to come quickly to our rescue.
Etresia van der Walt,
July 24, 2011 3:40 PM
As christian I completely agree with the above. Israel is G-D's country and the sooner we all start believing and standing for this, the better for all!
July 24, 2011 1:38 PM
Thank you for making this video which should be easy for anyone to understand!
July 24, 2011 1:36 PM
The 'historical facts' have been replaced by the arab narrative, which the Israelis reinforce.
The truth about the west bank, is that Israel won the battle but has worked very hard to lose the war.
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