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A powerful dialogue between children of perpetrators of the Holocaust and children of survivors.
by Maya Productions
Published: Monday, September 21, 2009
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How sad!
The only thing we really leave behind for our children is memories. How sad that these sadists inflicted their own children and grandchildren with such horror. The sins of the father are passed on even to the fourth and fifth generation.
she should have converted
That would have been a perfect in your face triumph over Hitler and all the other murderers of the Jews! Most of the people interviewed in this film were grandchildren or not directly related to the infamous Nazi officials still they felt shame and a responsibility. This is probably due to their German education post-WWII, I wonder about their parents though, how did they feel being even more closely related?
I an schocked
I don't really see why the descendants of nazis deserve pity. The very idea of portraying themselves as "victims" is a travesty and an insult to the real victims of the Shoa. In fact, many of the descendants of prominent Nazis cunningly make use of the notoriety surrounding their surname to make a quick bug. Two granchildren of Baldur von Schirach are talentless, but succesful journalists. The son of nazi war criminal Albert Speer is a famous architect. They are making money, while tens of thousands of victims never ever saw compensation, & struggled to make a living. Katrin Himmler's comments are obscene. She obviously married a Jew to be on the "winner's side" of history, and escape her past.
Sins of the father
All have sinned and fallen short of G-d's glory...none of us is righteous except G-d who will come in judgement for sin...we asked for forgiveness for our sins YonKuppor...yet we will not forgive the sins of others.
This is a horrible video
That lady married a JEW of a HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR!! I agree that Hitler won there. It's the silent killer of today...intermarriage. I can't believe Aish is condoning this by putting this video up. I'm surprised. I think that letting everyone know she's married to a Jew should not have allowed this video to go up because it makes it seem like what she did was a way to rectify her past. This video was just disturbing overall.
response to last note and #7
It could be the reason she married a jew was to show how bad she felt for us and she regrets what her family did. On the other hand, number seven has an excellent point. By marrying this guy, their kids are now going to be non-jews and that is doing similiar to what Hitler did (erase the jewish family tree.)
I'm in shock
this video confused me greatly.. for what reason do we need to pity the germans and deal with their pain? one of them married a Jew, not only a Jew but the son of a holocaust survivor! that is the saddest thing, Moshiach needs to come now! this world is so confused that she thinks she is doing good by marrying a Jew. Has her father not done enough! may Hashem bring Moshiach! bimheira beyameinu Amen!
Interesting
It was quite interesting seeing these people speak out. I believe that they feel guilty for what their relatives did, but I've been led to believe that these people descend from Amalek, so... I don't know. They're sort of the Jewish peoples' sworn enemies so we can't really forgive or trust them...
There is nothing in common except for pain
I loved the video - however it was mentioned two times that the children of hitler have their past in common. This is simply not true they do not share the same anything except for pain which is not related. Please remove those comments. There is no comparison.
Hitler still wins!
I watched the film a few times to see if my thoughts would change. They didn't. What did you want the viewer to come away from the dialogue with? I came away with that if a perpetrators child marries one of the victims a) perverse confusion prevails and b) Hitler still wins. And second, if they all feel so bad, what have they done for the Jewish people since finding out their ancestorial heritage? Sterilization. Now that's thinking & acting different than Hitler! I am sorry I did not get the point if there was one.
WOW!
comment#12, yes I hear you, both sides do not carry the same burden. I think she probably meant that it's sad for both the children of the war criminals and sad for those who lost their families, because how could one possibly really think both sides are responsible..... This is a wild video. I cannot believe it is in existence. It blows me away completely. It has tremendous weight in the sense that I never thought about the children of these murderers. As a quick though I had , yet only when thinking about the war takling place- not decades later. This is an extremely meritorious piece of work because it continues both the importance of the memories of those who were innocent and perished and the fact that the war existed especially now that Achmajinadad decries all eforts to show that the Holocaust ever took place.....
We who carry their names
My middle name Ellen [Chana] is the name of my great Bubbie who was murdered in a concentration camp.There are many that proudly carry the names of our dead family members.We strive to remember that this can all happen again -- when people hate and carry this hate to the next level. This is probably the most thought provoking video that I have ever seen. Thank you for extending this video to so many !!
when that daughter of a nazi said that both sides are carrying the same burden, that angered me very much. she has obviously not fully understood what a victim of the holocaust went through if she can claim that her burden is the same.
Where Have They Been?
As the world continues to entertain Holocaust Denial nutbags like Ahmadinejad, these "decent" Germans need to speak out! If they want justice, stop the boohoo'ing and do something to highlight what happened so it never happens again. They're coward-parents surely haven't.
Sins of the Fathers
"Our fathers sinned and are no more, but we bear their iniquities. Lamentations 5:7 . . . visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the 3rd/4th generations of those who hate Me. Exodus 20:5." Repentance by the generations on behalf of the sins of the Fathers can bring peace and true healing through true repentance. We all hold a responsibility to repent before a Holy God. He is - He is Holy - I pray for the souls of these survivors to be healed -such atrocities provoke the Nation of Germany to seek repentance, forgiveness, healing and to never allow it to happen again in any part of the world.
to Hate or not
The jewish guy who did not hate is very courageous but i have difficulty accepting his remarks.....The things they did to Jews is unforgiveable and when you don't forgive nor forget you WILL hate- at least the evil that was done to us
"Both victims carrying the SAME burden"??? Wow. That's a twisted statement if I ever heard one.
Very well presented and gave pause for reflection. Every man's journey reflects their insight, understanding, and their reality of G-d's creation. The video gives rise to questions about we ourselves and our individual levels of our own insight, understanding, and reality.
never forget...
decendants of evil can be decent people, but that doesnt in any way change the disgusting, sadistic acts of their parents and grandparents. from that you cant move on. holocaust denial comes from "moving on".
I found the clip to be very powerful. I was quite disgusted with the fact that a holocaust survivor's child could marry Himler's grand niece. This is not a comment on her, but on the fact that this person could be so insensitive to his family and his people, was there no one else to meet and marry?
Intense film, but misleading ending
The film grabbed me as being highly interesting and intense. I never even gave thought to this entire group of descendants of war criminals. However, at the end, when the narrator describes the meeting of the two groups, he says that they will come together to "share their common pasts." That's preposterous! Maybe one could say that they could compare their experiences and pain, but one cannot even begin to call their pasts anything NEAR common! It was a good film, but the ending line was a let down. Thank you.
The problem? The burden?
Katrin Himmler, related to Heinrich Himmler--second in command to Hitler, marries a Jewish man, the son of survivors. She asks "What's the problem?" The problem Ms Himmler, is that your children are not Jews. You are continuing to extinguish the flame of the Jewish soul by marrying a Jewish man and his children will not be Jews--end of the line, just another route. Perhaps some part of you thought that you might distance yourself from your heritage through this marriage? Understandable. Ms Goering: you say that you carry the same burden as the survivors. I'm so sorry, but though the loss is heavier for the victims, the burden of the murderers is heaviest of all. It's not the same burden. Still, I wish you and all the world a full healing and an end to evil (which you surely are working toward in the making of this film!). I applaud the film makers for their exploration of this still raw experience. May it bring understanding and healing to the world.
I can neither forgive nor forget
How can one be asked to forgive or forget? I happen to live in Germany from 1961 - 67 because my husband represented ElAl during these years. They were the hardest years of my life -nightmares of my children being killed in their beds with blood all over,It was too hard to bear but I said nothing as it's so difficult to explain to someone who, thanks God, has been spared all this by coming to Israel in 1938, what it really means to have been there. I was spared deportations either to Sibiria in 1941 by a miracle, and then from the Ghetto by another miracle. So little is really known about suffering of the Jews in Eastern Europe, one mostly talks about Auschwitz - Bergen Belsen - Dachau but not much is spoken about Eastern Europe it's as though nothing ever happened there, believe me it was terrible and tens of thousand died there or on their way to Palestine. However many films are made and however much is spoken about it, it can never be understood unless YOU WERE THERE!!!! One can't and SHOULD NOT FORGET but I think the second and third generation will be able to talk and, as time passes, even forgive.
wow!! this was something!! never saw something like this before.
Very Sad
This was very interesting, I didn't know that Hitler had children.
I found the video to be very moving and amazing. However one point which I do not agree with at all is when one of the German women said "it is the same burden and maybe we can help each other"- its not the same burden. Yes, they have to live knowing their parents did horrific things to human beings- but they did not suffer in concentration camps, ghettos, watching their family disappear or killed off in front of them, stay in hiding for months worrying everyday that they will be caught. So, while I do believe the ramifications of the Holocaust are leaving its effects on future generations- I hate that comparison.
Meeting with perpetrators descendants
My parents were both survivors from Hungary. I have always had very confused feelings towards both the perpetrators and their descendants, since my parents were not interested in pursuing any kind of punishable action against perpetrators. I have never knowingly met a perpetrator or their descendant. If ever there is such a conference in Los Angeles, I would be interested in attending and would appreciate receiving information regarding the event.
Too awful to watch
This was too awful to watch in one sitting. I had to close it after a few moments, but was mesmerized and opened it again. It is hope-engendering in that one sees human compassion alive in these children proving once again that man is a consequence of the choices he makes; we are all born with predispositions to good and evil. We make choices every day, hour even minute of our lives to love, hope, heal, pity, befriends, protect, or hate, despair, damage, brutalize, alienate, or demonize. What a terrible legacy these children live with. We know that G-d "zeh le'umas zeh" (one force opposite an equal ly powerful force). What a powerful legacy a righteous man leaves for his offspring! Is there a greater gift than leaving a child with memories of acts of heroism and spiritual greatness?
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(33) Me , October 15, 2009
Blaming someone for the crime(s) of another, be they a relative or not, is very primitive thinking. And it is wrong -- both intellectually and morally.
(32) Marvin Coren , October 15, 2009
I was married to one of Hitler's children
I believe that the designation "Hitler's Children" was a description of the children born to Jewish women prisoners and Nazi officers that were later put up for adoption by German Officers providing they were blond and blue eyed. My wife of many years was such a child and she suffered emotional and mental problems upon learning of this. I possess Nazi documentation of this process and adoption certificate bearing the symbols and swastika confirming this.
(31) Chana , October 14, 2009
Deserved Guilt
The the decedents of The Nazis should very well feel ashamed of themselves.
(30) Susan , October 13, 2009
The Holocaust-Glad this is here so I can post it everywhere I can find.
So horrible--I grieve for the families-the people who suffered at the hands of these demons that walked on earth in human form. I want to post it everywhere I possible can reach. People NEED to see and hear for themselves-Islam EVERYBODY. Before it happens again and they remain silent because they have believed the propaganda of people like Ahmadinejad and others.
(29) andyL , October 12, 2009
From Holocaust to Holocaust
By far one of the most tightly linked analogies to the Holcaust was to see a male Jewish holocaust survivor marry a Nazi decendant. A 3500 year heritage, exterminated !. What her father failed at, she continued. As for the Jewish man; when the Jews were taken to their deaths they were beaten, starved and barely able to stand, let alone put up a fight. What is his reason for ending Jewish life? This film clearly demonstrates that as one Holocaust ended, another immediately began. An internal holocaust based, driven by emotion, and lacking in intelligence.