Rational Approach To Divine Origin of Judaism

Exploring Judaism’s unique claim that no other religion in history has made.

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(16) Tio, December 18, 2016 10:51 PM

Buddhism is not founded on revelation of God

Buddha is not God; it means the Enlightened One. Buddhism is neither theistic nor atheistic; it is non-theistic.

Buddhism is the practice of self-discovery, a path that Sakyamoni Buddha taught based on his own experience. Everyone has Buddha nature in him/her; everyone can become Buddha.

(15) Dvirah, March 5, 2016 8:24 PM

Weighted Dice

Just want to point out that in the example of the weighted dice, there is direct physical evidence - the dice themselves - which can be tested. So perhaps not the best example for a purely statistical argument.

(14) Ubaldo, July 1, 2015 8:56 PM

Rational search for support to the conclusion is Bias

The introduction led me to remember Rabbi Moshe's thoughts on this video found elsewhere in this site:

Einstein's Biggest Mistake
Ingrained bias caused Einstein to make what he called the biggest blunder of his career.
by Rabbi Moshe Zeldman

(13) Y.B., May 24, 2013 7:24 AM

overall nicely presented but should leave out a few unsavory expressions

B.S.D.
In the highly sensitive ethical and moral climate of the world today such derogatory statements about the founders of a few of the faiths mentioned are totally inappropriate and very inflammatory. Judaism needs to keep its focus of elevating people towards the truth not through low blow bashing. Other than that your presentation is very nicely presented.

Eliezer, October 1, 2015 10:14 PM

Required

"Exploring Judaism’s unique claim that no other religion in history has made" REQUIRES it.

(12) sharona, May 17, 2013 8:09 AM

amazing

Good analysis of a mass group in an Unbroken chain that survived to pass it down

(11) Andre Ranulfo, May 17, 2013 3:45 AM

:)

I heard this argument before... but your way are so much cooler!!!!

(10) Jim, May 14, 2013 1:19 PM

Clear and concise

Bravo!

(9) Joey, May 14, 2013 4:47 AM

I have heard these arguments before, but you added some interesting insights. Thank you and God bless!

(8) d. smith, May 14, 2013 1:04 AM

origins of 'christianity'

That from which christianity sprung well preceeded Paul. Neither did he claim to be the originator.

Andre, May 17, 2013 3:52 AM

Before Paul

Christianism as we have today started with Paul. Before him, was sort of jews who believed that Jesus was the Machach.

Tirtza, August 9, 2016 7:50 AM

I think you are right

I'm an observant Jew and don't need any "rational proof" but I think most (not all) Christians would say that Christianity began with Jesus' death and his encounter with individuals after his death.
I don't know if there were always one, maybe sometimes two, individuals at a time in those alleged encounters, but later, when they had a "holy spirit" come to a group there was a group of followers(not just one) and that was the time when they were told both about Jesus being both a "messiah" and a "lord," and to "spead the word."
That event way preceded Paul.
I guess there is a great need in the modern world to be "rational," I just believe things are true.
Didn't Rav Soloveitchik (similarly to some famous Christian thinker) talk about a "leap of faith?"
People need to believe, not be convinced, faith is a very individual gift, and different people will require different things to achieve it, and nurture it's growth.
If some require a crutch, such as this "rational approach," fine, but in time they should be able to independently believe without this "proof."

Anonymous, August 25, 2016 2:12 PM

You aren't thinking

But how do you know what to believe without a reason?
Your neighbor may believe it is correct to kill all infidels- why don't you believe the same?

(7) Anonymous, May 13, 2013 11:56 PM

alienating

I am concerned that making fun of people with epilepsy is more than just merely politically incorrect, it is really insensitive. Epilepsy is not a mental illness, it is a seizure disorder, and mohamed's "vision" may very well have been a hallucination, has nothing to do with epilepsy.
(Not that it is okay to make fun of people with mental illness either.)

(6) Anonymous, May 13, 2013 7:56 AM

WHAT ABOUT THE MOSHIACH THEORY?

I LIKED THE LECTURE AND IT DID MAKE SENSE TO ME.. NOT ALL... NOT REALLY THE "GOD" SPEAKING PART.. BUT MOVING ON.. I AM A JEW...I DON'T BELIEVE EVERY MIRACLE IN THE .TORAH, AND I GO THROUGH MY "THERE IS A GOD-THERE IS NO GOD" .PERIODS. SOMETIMES I PRAY..BUT OFTEN I WONDER TO WHOM I AM PRAYING TO.. I LOVE THE HISTORY, I LOVE THE TRADITIONS AND I KEEP "DOING" THE YIDDISHKEIT" AND STILL KEEP UP THE TRADITIONS..I FEEL I AM CONNECTED, BOUNDED TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE.. THOUGH I A NOT AN ORTHODOX JEW..I GUESS THE SLOGAN "JUST DO IT" WOULD APPLY TO ME.. I JUST DO IT.. SOMETIMES I "FEEL" IT..SOMETIMES I DON'T. iNOW,KEEPING IN MIND YOUR EXPLANATION CONCERNING THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE JEWISH RELIGION..HOW AND WHERE DOES THE "COMING OF THE MOSHIACH" HOLD UP? iWOULDN'T THIE S BPART OF TFHE FUTURE THEORY? I MEAN HERE WE ARE STILL WAITING.. THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR IDEAS WITH US.. SHAVUAH TOV!

JD, May 13, 2013 11:22 PM

Moshiach/future theory

Good point. I think the answer is, 1) the Judaism of today is based on the Sinai event which happened in the past. 2) Any changes to Judaism in the future (for example following Shammai instead of Hillel after moshiach) are not supposed to be followed now. If we were already doing things nobody heard yet, and believed it's because moshiach will say it later, then it would be future theory.

Anonymous, May 14, 2013 7:22 AM

re moshiach

@anonymous - The point was, that today Judaism says the revelation already happened. That cannot be explained by the future theory, by a promise of a revelation. Therefore we reduce the options to be either past or present theory.

Aaron, August 25, 2016 2:09 PM

Need to be rational

What part of God speaking doesn't make sense? It's certainly something that requires great proof to be believed but the proof for it is the greatest possible.
Perhaps its worth mentioning that the verses describing Har Sinai explicitly say no one will ever have a similar claim of a national revelation, which if the revelation had been anything other than God could not be said

If you choose to not think and therefore you don't believe you will be held accountable for your atheism

(5) freeda, May 12, 2013 10:55 PM

wow

im floored that made so much sernse i do believe in God and judiasm but its good to hear the reason why i do thank you rav kelleman!

(4) W. Lawrence Lipton, May 12, 2013 8:47 PM

Initial Lie?

The evolution of the religion which became Judaism is provided in "Grandpa Was A Deity" (2011); there is even a mathematical proof (of sorts) in Genesis & Exodus -- which is described in "Genesis of Genesis" (2012.
The reality of Judaism is derived from the fact that it works -- in terms of what it demands in the physical world, and in terms of history ... if taken as an evolution of intelligence.
Adding to the basic religious algorithm, the religions enumerated all "just change the names, with all else remaining the same." An earlier belief is renamed, and its beliefs are the redefine beliefs which the converts already held -- or popular stories (myths) adopted to serve the precess ensuring that key data will be remembered and repeated (ie, Noah's Flood).

Anonymous, May 13, 2013 11:43 PM

...

Your idea of old beliefs being renamed for new religions would apply nicely to Christianity and Islam, which adopted Jewish texts with their own additions tacked on. To apply it to Judaism itself is a little more problematic because it has no monotheistic peers or predecessors. I would be more interested to look into your books if you could briefly explain here how Judaism evolved along with its claim of 3 million eyewitnesses, with no generation gap to make the claim uncheckable?

(3) H Hopp, May 12, 2013 6:58 PM

It is not funny to make fun of other religions

matt, May 13, 2013 11:46 AM

real fun

Do you mean that it's not polite ? If people laugh at the absurdity and irrationality of the very foundations of a religion that does not change the truth -value or lack thereof. Truth is hilarious especialy when you consider and realize some of the irrational and false notions that, amazingly, people still accept as true. Yes, it is funny.

David, May 13, 2013 8:14 PM

Funny, maybe...

But not such a good idea. I have yet to find any religion (including my own!) which doesn't make a few risible claims. Believers in religion X are always keen on getting a good chuckle at the expense of the silliness held as truth by believers in religion Y. Oddly enough, they often find it offensive when those Y folks see something amusing about the preposterous notions adhered to by the followers of X.

Anonymous, August 9, 2016 7:57 AM

I agree

There were lots of things of questionable taste in this video.
I don't like to laugh at another's religion, like I don't want them to laugh at mine, even if I think that their's is really ridiculous.
It's a sign of the times that a religious person has to stoop to this level to "reach" people.
You know what they say, "generation with the face of a dog."
Sorry but it had to be said.
I blushed at some points in the video, but some were harmless joking, perhaps a way can be found to present it both funny and appropriate.

(2) Alyza, May 12, 2013 5:25 PM

Shroodlu

So, what ever happened to poor Shroodlu?

(1) Linda, May 12, 2013 4:43 PM

But it never happened again!

I'm not convinced, it never happened again.

 

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