Dear Emuna,
My husband has strong political beliefs, most of which I support. Our challenge is that he doesn’t seem to know when to keep his mouth shut and he has alienated friends and family. I love him dearly and, like I said, I share his viewpoints but he needs to learn how to be more tactful or even quiet or we will be very lonely. Please help.
Unsure What to Do
Dear Unsure,
It is one of those cardinal rules that many family and friends have: don’t talk about politics – or religion. Certain topics make people crazy because they are actually very important.
Because they both go to the heart of people’s hopes and dreams, they may strike a nerve. This doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be discussed. It means we need to know how to do this. Funnily enough, politics seems to be the more difficult topic. Although many people have not really researched their political beliefs but rather seem to ally themselves with a particular side and then support all their positions, well-understood or not, this is a much harder topic to discuss than religion. At least when it comes to religion, particularly Judaism, most people recognize they are ignorant. Not so with politics.
Obviously if there is nowhere to go with a topic, then no matter how important or how frustrated we are with a particular viewpoint, the wisest course is silence. Our sages advocate silence in general as a healthier way of approaching life.
With respect to religion, it’s best to identify the listener’s interests and share with him or her Judaism’s insights on that particular topic. Hopefully this will lead to an interesting, meaningful and calm discussion. Don’t ever try to preach or persuade. This is clearly your husband’s challenge. Because he cares so passionately, he is trying to persuade.
Begin by praising his caring, involvement and engagement in something that is important. Then ask him to do you a favor. Ask him to try to listen quietly when you are with other people. Or ask him to avoid the topic of politics or any other area where he has particularly strong viewpoints. Don’t have an argument with him about the merits of his strategy. Just ask him as a kindness to you. I assume he wants to please you and this will be a more compelling argument than suggesting that he is going about things the wrong way!
Dating Danger Sign?
Dear Emuna,
I have been dating a young man for a few months now. He seems to have most of the character traits I’m looking for, along with the fact that I enjoy his company. We are getting progressively more and more serious. But something happened the other day that gave me pause. We were discussing parenting strategies (I know – way in the future, but it was fun!) and he mentioned that he thought that it was okay to hit children once in a while. I was shocked and now I’m wondering if this is evidence of some deeper psychological issues – anger, abuse etc. etc. Should I end this now before it’s too late?
Very Confused
Dear Very Confused,
I certainly don’t blame you for being confused. This is a hard call and I would definitely advise having some people you trust meet him and share their opinion. I would also try to spend some more time learning about his family background and his friends to see if any red flags crop up. You are right to be concerned but I don’t think it is necessarily a danger sign. It could just be the sign of ignorance.
Even in today’s society, most teenagers who babysit are female. Young men have spent very little time looking after kids, dreaming about having children or thinking about parenting strategies. He may have been caught unawares. He may not have really thought it through. He may just need an education. You don’t want to treat it cavalierly but not everyone who advocates the occasional potch is one step away from child abuse.
There are those who believe that it is never appropriate to hit. Others (like me for instance) believe that there are rare occasions that may call for it (i.e. to emphasize that under no circumstances may you run into the street). My teacher told us that it doesn’t really matter whether your parenting style is authoritarian (obviously he did not mean abusive) or permissive as long as you are consistent. There was a time when it was taken for granted that parents hit children and not everyone who adhered to that philosophy was a monster. Return to the topic, clarify your position, and see how adamant he remains. See if he is open and flexible. An ability to change one’s mind, to hear another person’s opinion and to be open to new ideas are all valuable tools in a marriage – perhaps more important than getting the right answer the first time. I think you could keep moving forward – just a little more cautiously.
Disenchanted Charity
Dear Emuna,
I’ve been involved in a Jewish charitable organization for many years. They have done a lot of good and I am very proud of my share in their efforts. Recently however, they seem to have lost their way. They are more focused on raising money than on the goals for which the money is being raised. Their philosophy is moving away from one I share and I find myself disagreeing with their goals and their strategy more and more frequently. They are still doing good but I don’t feel as enthusiastic about how they do it. I’ve been involved for so long and I don’t want to do them any damage or cause any hard feelings. How do you suggest I extricate myself from the organization?
Do-Gooder
Dear Do-Gooder,
Just when I think I’ve dealt with every question, my readers stump me with new problems! This is a tough one, especially since the information you have revealed is sparse – and appropriately so. I appreciate your discretion. The bottom line, as I’m sure you know, is that you can’t support an organization – with your time, your money or your name – unless you believe in what they are doing.
Although initially you may be able to just focus on the good is being done and not your problems, eventually you will become resentful and embittered. It’s certainly better to stop before that occurs.
Withdraw slowly. Don’t make any grand pronouncements. It’s not necessary to articulate aloud and to the other supporters all your complaints. Be quiet and gracious and make an excuse about family time and/or personal commitments. Not only do you not want to damage the organization by being ungracious (or worse!) but if you behave inappropriately or carelessly, the person most damaged will be you. Our availability, the way in which we want to allocate our resources, the demands on our time all change constantly. If you don’t make a big deal and quietly, slowly slip away, everyone will understand. Your goal is to preserve the dignity of the organization – and your own!
(9) Nancy, November 2, 2015 9:16 PM
To commenter Zvi
My parents z"l were able to let me know when I was in trouble without lifting a finger. I can think of 2 occasions where I was chastised for wrong doing, and to this day I feel remorse. I most certainly WAS scared of both of them, as they had very loud voices. On the other hand, when my mother was very angry she became very quiet. If you would not potch another adult, then there is no excuse for raising a hand to a child.
(8) Neria, October 30, 2015 2:49 PM
Thank you
Dear Emuna, Thank you for your answer to Unsure's important question- how to speak about things we feel passionately about. Your feedback deeply resonates and I'm processing your ideas. Shabbat Shalom Blessings
(7) JB Destiny, October 29, 2015 8:17 PM
Do Gooder
Emunah, as someone who has worked in charitable organizations for over 20 years, I have to say that your advice to Do Gooder is 100% backwards. If a donor or volunteer is having qualms about continuing his/her involvement, we at the organization want to know about it. You have no idea how many former supporters just fade away, and we sit around wondering what happened to that person who was so involved!
Really it's like any other extended relationship. Speak with someone at the organization about your concerns. Perhaps you'll learn something that will change your view, or perhaps they have no idea that their goals have, or are perceived as, changed. Of course, perhaps the change is intentional. If you still feel the need to give your support elsewhere after, please let them know. I promise they would rather part with you understanding why you left.
(6) Anonymous, October 29, 2015 5:45 PM
#2 I believe she is in disagreement with R. Avigdor Miller z"l
I summary, R. Miller noticed the pleasantness of children who were put in their place with an occasional potch.
I lost my father when I was 11 and I still treasure the two times he gave me the belt on my tushie after my mom told me she was going to tell him if I continue in my bad ways. I didn’t talk rudely to her after that.
Now I see there is a connection between action and consequence. It helped me become religious as I can relate to the consequences of not keeping the mitzvahs.
(5) Zvi, October 29, 2015 3:57 PM
Our Gedolim have differing views here...
If you look at michtav M'eliyahu (R. E. E. Dessler ZT"L), you will see in one of his letters that he SUPPORTS very firm discipline (apparently including the [once in a while] "Potch. He makes very clear that children are supposed to regard their parents a so VERY greatly "above" them -- that the can be no thought of a child EVER disobeying a parent. He is very firm that a parent is NOT a "friend". It is quite possible that this young man has adopted that viewpoint. On the other hand, I have heard of current Gedolim who -- now days] oppose ANY form of physical discipline. Therefore, I think that the advice should be that she and the young man should consult a Rav that BOTH respect and honor and discuss this matter with him. Perhaps, SHE will find that HER viewpoint is "wrong" or perhaps, he will see that his viewpoint is "wrong" -- but I think that this is much more useful than simply"discussing" it -- when he may have very solid Hashkafic reasons supporting him.
(4) Anonymous, October 29, 2015 10:30 AM
Do gooder
I used to work for an organization that sounds just like what you're describing. I left because it was not paying salaries in a timely manner due to immense financial struggles. It was heart-wrenching for me because although the organization does - and continues to do - a world of good on a HUGE scale, I needed a more reliable source of income. I saw firsthand the amazing work - both the beautiful programs and their positive results - as well as the choking financial picture, as an insider - not as a donor who takes it on faith. I am also noticing that their current communications are full of appeals. I can totally understand why, in this instance, it could appear to a donor that they are more focused on fundraising than activities. But in the particular case I know, it's not true. Au contraire. The very special woman who runs this organization still calls me up to share her passionate dreams for various new, inexpensive programs to inspire more people and bounces around creative ideas how to promote the organization's mission. But she's also desperately trying to raise funds so that she can continue. Of course, this may not be the case with the organization you've donated to, but if you still believe in its mission but feel that it's too focused on fundraising, I would NOT advise to gradually withdraw without giving them the benefit of the doubt. First try to ascertain the facts. Perhaps they're continuing to do massive good, but are drowning financially, thus the many fundraising efforts? Try getting a clearer picture, perhaps asking for an activities and financial growth chart over the past five years. Please don't prejudge; try getting the facts and then decide. If you see that they are truly worthy but financially choked, perhaps you can help them increase their circle of friends by recommending the organization and introducing them to potential donors!
(3) Tzipi, October 29, 2015 10:09 AM
Don't take advice from random commenters!
The irony of my advice is not lost on me. To question #2 don't take any advice from the commenters. Go to a Rav, Rebbetzin or mentor and get help with your situation - people with experience with young couples and families. And learn a proper Torah approach to parenting - you can't wing parenting nor should you use your own ideas of what is/is not good parenting - we have a Torah to tell us that. Wishing you every good!
(2) Anonymous, October 25, 2015 7:45 PM
To commenter #1 Miriam.
Hitting IS a big deal. I have known people over the age 35 who were hit with a belt routinely to keep them in line. Other adults always said the children were angels, but in reality the children were scared stiff of both parents. When my brother was a toddler he tried to run out into the street, away from my mother. As she ran to give him a potch, she accidentally hit her hand on a park bench and dislocated her pinky. She was able to catch my brother before he ran off, but she never raised a hand to any of us ever again!
Miriam, October 27, 2015 1:08 AM
You're right. Hitting could be a very big deal.
But I don't think it's a reason to break up with a guy. If he's a sweet guy, with good midos, and good husband and father material...he's just remembering the old days when almost all good parents hit once in a while. When she's a parent, she'll explain to him that it's totally unhelpful, ineffective and damaging...and he won't. I don't think she should suspect a great guy of being a potentially abusive parent because he's remembering the way the world used to be...the reality was that most parents hit once in a while.
David, October 30, 2015 2:58 AM
""When she's a parent, she'll explain to him....and he won't.""
This quote in the summary line from Mariam is going to cause marital discord. One shouldn't go into a marriage expecting to change their spouse's view on life.
The girl who is considering dating this man would do good to be open with him and ask him what he means and where did he get that idea from.
I think you might be afraid to break up the relationship and are thus avoiding speaking to him about it. There is going to be plenty of discussion like this in marriage so start getting comfortable with it. You will need a mentor to teach you and I suggest you find a coach.
Zvi, October 29, 2015 6:34 PM
Maybe they are SUPPOSED to be "scared stiff"...
When children are "scared stiff" -- maybe (certainly, it seems, according to Rav Dessler ZT"L) that is a GOOD thing. Nobody here appears to be discussing serious "beating" or anything approaching that... but WHO says that ANY physical punishment is "bad"? Some secular "expert"? It seems to me that (according to the approach of SOME sort of physical punishment) that Children are supposed to realize TWO things: (1) that their parents LOVE them and (2) that their parents are SO far "above" them that there must be NO thought of EVER disobeying them (except as per Torah Guidance)... I do not claim that this is or is not "correct" -- rather, that it can not and should not be dismissed out of hand.... and certainly NOT because the writer does not "feel right" with it...
(1) Miriam, October 25, 2015 11:10 AM
Who today above age 35 wasn't hit by a parent once in a while?
It was totally done years ago, but now it's mostly not. No big deal!