A place is made sacred by a widespread belief that it was visited by the miraculous or the transcendent (Lourdes, the Temple Mount), by the presence there once of great nobility and sacrifice (Gettysburg), or by the blood of martyrs and the indescribable suffering of the innocent (Auschwitz).
When we speak of Ground Zero as hallowed ground, what we mean is that it belongs to those who suffered and died there – and that such ownership obliges us, the living, to preserve the dignity and memory of the place, never allowing it to be forgotten, trivialized or misappropriated.
That’s why Disney’s early ‘90s proposal to build an American history theme park near Manassas Battlefield was defeated by a broad coalition fearing vulgarization of the Civil War (and wiser than me; at the time I obtusely saw little harm in the venture). It’s why the commercial viewing tower built right on the border of Gettysburg was taken down by the Park Service. It’s why while no one objects to Japanese cultural centers, the idea of putting one up at Pearl Harbor would be offensive.
And why Pope John Paul II ordered the Carmelite nuns to leave the convent they had established at Auschwitz. He was in no way devaluing their heartfelt mission to pray for the souls of the dead. He was teaching them a lesson in respect: This is not your place, it belongs to others. However pure your voice, better to let silence reign.
Even New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who denounced opponents of the proposed 15-story mosque and Islamic center near Ground Zero as tramplers on religious freedom, asked the mosque organizers “to show some special sensitivity to the situation.”
Yet, as columnist Rich Lowry pointedly noted, the government has no business telling churches how to conduct their business, shape their message, or show “special sensitivity” to anyone about anything. Bloomberg was thereby inadvertently conceding the claim of those he excoriates for opposing the mosque, namely, that Ground Zero is indeed unlike any other place and therefore unique criteria govern what can be done there.
Bloomberg’s implication is clear: If the proposed mosque were controlled by “insensitive” Islamist radicals either excusing or celebrating 9/11, he would not support its construction.
But then, why not? By the mayor’s own expansive view of religious freedom, by what right do we dictate the message of any mosque? Moreover, as a practical matter, there’s no guarantee this couldn’t happen in the future. Religious institutions in this country are autonomous. Who is to say that the mosque won’t one day hire an Anwar al-Aulaqi – spiritual mentor to the Fort Hood shooter and the Christmas Day bomber, and one-time imam at the Virginia mosque attended by two of the 9/11 terrorists?
An Aulaqi preaching in Virginia is a security problem. An Aulaqi preaching at Ground Zero is a sacrilege.
Location matters. Especially this location. Ground Zero is the site of the greatest mass murder in American history – perpetrated by Muslims of a particular Islamist orthodoxy in whose cause they died and in whose name they killed.
No German of good will would think of proposing a German cultural center at, say, Treblinka.
Of course that strain represents only a minority of Muslims. Islam is no more intrinsically Islamist than present-day Germany is Nazi – yet despite contemporary Germany’s innocence, no German of good will would even think of proposing a German cultural center at, say, Treblinka.
Which makes you wonder about the good will behind Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf’s proposal. This is a man who has called US policy “an accessory to the crime” of 9/11 and, when recently asked whether Hamas is a terrorist organization, replied, “I’m not a politician....The issue of terrorism is a very complex question.”
America is a free country where you can build whatever you want – but not anywhere. That’s why we have zoning laws. No liquor store near a school, no strip malls where they offend local sensibilities, and, if your house doesn’t meet community architectural codes, you cannot build at all.
These restrictions are for reasons of aesthetics. Others are for more profound reasons of common decency and respect for the sacred. No commercial tower over Gettysburg, no convent at Auschwitz – and no mosque at Ground Zero.
Build it anywhere but there.
The governor of New York offered to help find land to build the mosque elsewhere. A mosque really seeking to build bridges, Rauf’s ostensible hope for the structure, would accept the offer.
Related Article: Build the Mosque
This article originally appeared in the Washington Post.
(106) Beverly Kurtin, September 12, 2010 10:33 PM
What's next?
Absolutely, build the COMMUNITY CENTER where it is planned to be. There was what amounts to a Mosque in the World Trade Center on the 17th floor of one of the towers. Muslims along with adherents of other religions. When we first arrived in Dutch New Amsterdam, we were denied permission to build a synagogue. Now we want to tell the Muslims what they can and can not do with property they own? How hypocritical. The ignorant lunkheads who insist on calling it "Ground Zero Mosque" ignore that is it not at "Ground Zero," nor is a Mosque per se; it is a COMMUNITY CENTER. It is NOT at "Ground Zero." So what is the problem? I'm Jewish; there are Jewish/Muslim organizations all over the country. Jewish organizations in New York are supporting the building. Who are the dullards who are fighting to prevent the First Amendment from being activated? I am ashamed to be an American if this is what America has become.
ladydi, September 6, 2011 6:54 PM
Building their mosque at that site is a slap in the face to all those innocent people MURDERED on 9/11. Where is your compassion? Obviously you didnt know anyone who was burned alive or crushed that day......shame on you!!!!!
Ephraim Dovid, July 31, 2012 8:42 AM
Not sure where you got your info
It IS a Mosque AND community center.. Not just a community center. The truth is that even this "community center" is being built for a sharia compliant community that they are planning on setting up right there in very close proximity to ground zero. Is it literally at ground zero? No. However, it IS literally a 2 minute walk from ground zero. No exaggeration, 2 minutes. The Imam who is pushing for the building of the mosque is Feisal Abdul Rauf, a known terrorist sympathizer,who has openly placed the blame for 9-11 on American policies,as opposed to it being placed(where it belongs)on the terrorists who decided to murder the innocent in an effort to spread Islam and enforce sharia law on the innocent,with an act of complete religious Intolerance. The Imam's plan to build this mosque,and so called community center to be Sharia compliant, is a clear sign that it will espouse the very same beliefs and intolerance towards other religions that the terrorists who flew the planes into the towers were exposed to. The Imam's plan isn't just to build a building close to ground zero, but to build an entire community of sharia law abiding muslims,all steeped and well versed in the hateful, intolerant messages of that particular brand of Islam, in the very area where they succeeded in carrying out their plans to murder thousands of innocent men, women, and children in the name of Islam. It is a slap in the face to the victims' families who will see a large Islamic community, centered so close to ground zero that there will be essentially no distinction between ground zero and this Sharia law compliant islamic community. Every surviving family member will see how the same brand of Islam that was responsible for the murder of their family member, is now flourishing and spreading their message of intolerance and hate at the exact place where their parent, or sibling, or child, etc was murdered in cold blood in the name of that same brand of Islam.
(105) Anonymous, September 7, 2010 3:36 AM
Yeah, but
Are you familiar with the area? The proposed site is not right at ground zero, it's a couple blocks away. The block is somewhat seedy, with cheap-o stores and ugly architecture. There is nothing "sacred" about the proposed site even if one accepts the rest of the author's argument. While I think it's rather insensitive to build the mosque there, and jewish groups should not be affirmatively advocating for the building of mosques anywhere (thank you very much Michael Lerner), the first amendment is WAY too important to US to be trampled upon in this manner. There is a huge difference between blocking commercial development by Disney and a religious institution. First they came for the muslims . . . .
Anonymous, July 31, 2012 9:35 AM
First they came for the Muslims?!! Really?
Actually first they (the muslims) came for the lives of any random American who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.But aside from that,I couldn't help my jaw from dropping after reading the last bit of your comment,twisting the words of the famous quote by Pastor Martin Neimoller (First they came for..),and some how trying to equate the horrors of the progression of the nazi's campaign of elimination of the communists,unionists,Jews,and then himself, to the efforts of many NYC citizens to prevent a Sharia law compliant Mosque from being built in the same spot where Islamic terrorists enforced their decree of death in accordance with Sharia law, on the innocent NYC citizens who were murdered that day. Nobody is telling these muslims that they can't have a mosque in NYC. All that is being asked, is that they move their location to somewhere a bit more distant from ground zero. I'm glad that you at least recognize that it's insensitive for a mosque to be built there.However, I disagree with your assertion that the 1st amendment will be trampled upon by preventing the mosque from being built. I would concede that it would be a violation if they were being told that they can't build their mosque anywhere in NYC. However, that's not the case at all. They are being asked to move the location further away from ground zero due to the obvious pain that it will cause the family members of victims of the 9-11 attacks. They have even been offered considerable monetary benefits. They are in no way being told that they can't practice their religion. They are being asked to be considerate. One last point, while the proposed site may not be exactly at ground zero,it IS a 2 minute walk from ground zero. Once they have built the Mosque/Community Ctr and grow a Sharia compliant community around the mosque,it WILL be a slap in the face to the victim's family members to see that the ideology responsible for 9-11, destroyed the towers and now thrives in it's stead.
(104) Angie, August 31, 2010 10:51 PM
dont build mosque
(103) neal d, August 31, 2010 3:13 AM
to our own misery
what lies beneath should stay covered the souls that walk an empty place . those that say build a mosque ,do not mourn .There they raise their hands in contempt to what is good and just. A mosque there is a victory for Islam and a nail for the coffin . look at the koran 47:4 the want to take off your head one way or another.
(102) Anonymous, August 28, 2010 12:36 AM
Muslims always build mosque on sacred grounds of other religions. Babri mosque in traditional birth place of Rama in India, Dome of Rock and Al aqsa mosque in the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem and Ibrahimi mosque in Hebron, these two are Jewish sacred place. Now they want to built a mosque near the Ground Zero. Americans should learn from history. Islam is more than a religion, it is a way of life.
(101) Buzzie, August 26, 2010 9:23 PM
The US is becoming more like Israel
When I think of Iran building weapons of mass destruction, and since they have already bombed the US once and have tried other times; when I watch the news and see what they do to Israel, I think that is what is coming to America. Obama has been all for illegal immigrants and how many muslims has he let in that are illegal immigrants. 10 muslims come over to the US to be trained on a US base, and they all went AWOL when they got here. This article brings up so many great reason and examples in times past when sensitivities were given thought and plans were changed. It's building, it's also about we do not want muslims to dominate the US. To keep it under control. So why are they so willing to accommodate to muslims? Must be out of fear. The US wasn't afraid of the Jews, and good reason not to be, but the muslims they are scared to death, and literally too. Are they afraid to say no to the muslims, even when it has upset this country royally? Was muslims satisfied in building a mosque away from the Temple Mount? They don't care about that site, it means nothing to them, they did it to hurt us Jews. They didn't get the ground zero site, so they settled nearby. Because they care about that site, or to hurt us. They are hurting us now by plans to build near ground zero. They don't care it has. America is getting to be more like Israel. Could it be because more muslims are here and laying roots of their religions in our grounds. I fear that the Iraq war is coming to our own land. The war will be fought right here in the United States. There will be more suicide bomber's, just like in Israel. They will have a graveyard to honor those who were the suicide bomber's that killed Americans. Just like in Israel. Is there peace in Jerusalem, they won't bring peace here either. We need to pray for the peace of the US now before it's a war zone.
(100) Zoe, August 26, 2010 7:47 PM
The United States isn't in war with Islam
Who will win this battle over whether it will or will not be built by ground zero? It won't be built where it is planned at now. Rauf is a government worker, the Community Center/Mosque will go on State land. This is not so much about religion as it is being presented as being. This is a government issue and promoting peace. It's in the interest of the government over international relations. Present the worse first and then Americans will welcome the States involvement in this Muslim Community Center elsewhere. By the time this discussion is over with and we have fought on behalf of the side we stand on, when it's going up elsewhere, we all will welcome this Muslim Community Center more than ever. Because it won't be by ground zero and the State helping Rauf will be more like doing the Americans a favor. It will be built in a better location. The whole subject, like Bloomberg's speech has been sent to all countries via Internet in all different languages. Don't you think they have had an agenda over this all along, I think so. The message that we should welcome Muslims and that the United States isn't against Islam.
(99) jasper c., August 25, 2010 10:32 PM
It´s a shame even to think of buiding a mosque for the enemy of the free world
I fully agree with Mr. Ch. Krauthammer who points out that a free world is not a gift. Liberty must be conquerd. After freedom exists, it must be protected in order it wil not weaken or disappear. I strongly disapprove the building of the mosque since I know that this will to conserve the free world. Trust must be gained practicing moral value, not massively killing people. Trust shall no be given away to people who do not deserve it
(98) marc, August 24, 2010 12:08 PM
yes we should be sensitive to ground zero, just as the us was sensitive to all the Indian burial grounds that they desecrated. Remember they want to build it 2 blocks away and NYC blocks are big. when the us did to the Indians they killed them fist and then did it right on top. i am not saying that to wrongs make a right but they are not doing anything wrong. and remember that they are also Americans and the possibility that they might of had friends or family who died in 9-11 As for the person who wrote that it works both ways remember it has to get started somewhere, or else it never will.
(97) Mike Lampard, August 24, 2010 10:41 AM
I support the argument AGAINST the Mosque at Ground Zero
Reading both articles for and against, it seems they are both well though out arguments and those who wrotethem have given sensitive thought. However, I still feel that the idea of total insult to those who perished on that fateful day would be unbearable. I accept that not every islamist is an extremist, and some support religious freedom. However, the point that the Pope disallowed very devout nuns from setting up at Auschvitz from the point of view of sensitivities is the right bench mark to go by. To put a Mosque on ground zero is the height of insensitivity, and therefore should not happen.
(96) Anonymous, August 24, 2010 9:58 AM
Religious Freedom
Constitutional Rights--Religious Freedom does NOT mean that Religious Organizations can do whatever they want. Under Religious Freedom: They are to have Equal Rights in obtaining employment--with harassment free on the job. Children cannot be turned away from a public school because of their Religion. An employer has to let you off during times of Religious Services. You cannot be denied to shop for food etc. You cannot be denied housing, because of your Religion.(basic needs) A Religious Organization to build anywhere, in any certain place--NOT covered under Religious Freedom. Religious Freedom does not mean--anything goes here that is labeled Religious. No matter what faith, beliefs, denomination or religion. If this Country didn't want any Mosque in the U.S. It is our Constitutional Rights not to allow any. When that Constitution was written--Islam was not here in the U.S. It was written for and about the existing ones--not occults or any new found Religions. Islam did not spread out back then, would of been the furthest thing from their minds, they would of came here. Cities and towns approved Mosques to be built, because we had to? No, because we value multi-culture. People, we are in a War, it's not over with yet. We do not have a peace treaty with Muslim countries. The 9/11 attack was planned since Desert Storm, 10 years of planning not by a handful of people, but by many. Yes it makes it hard on all Arabs in this country, because we are in a War with Arab countries right now. The War is not over with yet! It's not peacetime, it's Wartime, and yes things are different during a War. All Arabs are possible suspects, not saying they all are terrorist, but during Wartime, they have to be scrutinized and this includes their Religious Activities also. It's just the results of War, which was started on 9/11 when this country was under fire, by Arab Terrorist, radical Islams, the Taliban, the ones on the scene and all those working behind it.
(95) Perry Nichols, August 23, 2010 8:42 PM
Collective Guilt
I've been reading alot about "them" or "they". They want to rub 9-11 in our faces. If it wasn't for them....etc. May I say that forcing collective guilt onto a people is simply wrong. What do you want the Muslims of NYC to say? That they are sorry that people they do not know hurt their fellow citizens? Do you want them to beg for mercy and then crawl away a few dozen blocks away to build their complex? May I suggest for everyone that is against this building simply because it's "them", please go read "The Sunflower" by Simon Wiesenthal. You might come to the understanding that the Muslims in NYC cannot ask forgiveness for something they did not do. Nor does anyone on here, even relatives of those that died on 9-11, have the right demand their pound of guilt from those who had nothing to do with 9-11. Let them build their place of worship.
(94) Michael Pell, August 23, 2010 4:39 PM
The mosque can be built at Ground 0 as soon as there is an Aish branch in Riyadh. Tolerance and sensitivity works both ways.
(93) David Waldman, August 23, 2010 3:06 AM
Charles Krauthammer is dead wrong.
This is my 2nd e-mail. The first one said Mayor Bloomberg is right. This time I'm gong to set out why Charles Krauthammer couldn't be more wrong. Rights are always more important than tender sensitivities. That is the reason rights are enshrined in hard to change constitutions and sensitivities aren't. This is not a popularity contest. When people lose rights, they become at risk. Ask the U.S. African Americans whose rights weren't recognized for almost 200 years (1776 until the 1960s when the U.S. Supreme Court finally realized what "All men are created equal" means. ). Ask the American Indians who were driven off their lands and slaughtered. Ask the Japanese when they were internally exiled in the U.S. Ask 6 to 8 million Jews who died in the Holocaust. I'm a Canadian, and we don't have a proud history when it comes to rights. We also interned Japanese, we brought Chinese workers to our country to build the transcontinental railroad and then they were horribly abused. But we've learned our lessons. When people spoke out against Sikhs wearing their turbans in our RCMP, we rose up and said they don't need to wear Scout hats. It is their religion and we have to honour that. That made me very proud, and has so far has ended our discussions of rights vs. sensitivies.
(92) Gesia Rosenberg, August 22, 2010 6:36 AM
No Mosque at Ground Zero or at any similar plce
Lets face it. The invation of Muslins around the world is no mare inmigration for any real substantieted reasons. Do your research. But thie matter is not a matter of religious freedom because there has been many Musks already build in this Country and Muslims are building musks all over Canada Europe and so on. This one is all about a real slap on the face and Shame on those who have sold themselves out and are selling our Country out because of cowordness, Bigotry and greed. Denouncing the building of this Mosque on ground Zero is not enough and talking about it and complainning is not enough. Perhaps we should really get courage and stop being complacent and hoping that all of these insanities going on in the Country would go away by themselves. Perhapas we should look at how the wall came down in Germany People need to wake up, get active be present become one and really do something. What other Country in the world would allow all that is going on here and just sit there and take it? By now President Obama has such a trail of contradictions and lies that is so easy to see that distortion of truth is in the air. President Obama said this was all about religious freedom. If that is the caserhow come The day of Prayer by the steps of the Capitol was outlowed for the first time in American History but he just celebrated ramandam in the White House ? How come he bowed before the king of Jordan but left the White House dinner where the President of Israel had been invited? What president of our Country would embarase our Country before the world like this? Remember they want you to belive it is about religious freedom. Don't belive what they say . Watch what they do . Think for yourselves.
(91) Anonymous, August 22, 2010 5:55 AM
What if it was closer to Your home / life, if it was personal?
I ask each person who responded that it is someone's right to build "anywhere" what they chose - if they owned the piece of property to please consider this: If YOU had a close relative murdered, or raped by a pedifile, or sacrificed by a satanic worshiper, and that criminal or someone related to him, chose to erect a life size statue of the criminal, with a great big photograph of himself, in honour of the criminal, right on top of the site where he committed those crimes, would the answer still be "hey he owns the place, let him do it"...if it was YOUR CHILD or YOUR sibling, or YOUR parent.....? It is personal to each of those souls. Would you still say yes? Those people cannot speak out for themselves, but their blood cries out to G-d, every minute of every day. And you should be their voice. Don't be fools, this is not about religious freedom. This is a public and very political and religious statement from the property owners. It has absolutely nothing to do with constitutional freedom. Wake up! It is a massive political statement. And a bylaw should be drafted that says this property is sensitive and therefore it requires special zoning rights. The property may not just be utilized for uses which may cause disprespect to those who lost their lives there. Now that would be a constitutional protection to the people of the USA.. It is your duty to say NO
(90) muman613, August 21, 2010 12:48 AM
NO TO THIS DESECRATION
I am the brother of a victim of 9/11 and I am 100% against the building of this Islamic center so close to the Ground 0. We must become more vocal, contact our representatives, and get out and protest the building of this. How can they spit in the eye of the victims like this and nobody is saying anything. The liberals are claiming it is a matter of freedom of religion, etc... Sure they are allowed to follow whatever cult they want to, but they should not be allowed to further harm the families of the victims. Does Beverly Curtin realize that the muslims attacked Israel on Yom Kippur during the Yom Kippur war in 1973? Or maybe the liberals have amnesia?
(89) Sandra Parrott, August 20, 2010 11:35 PM
No Mosque at Ground Zero
With 70% of American opposing this obscenity why does Bloomberg persist in helping the Arabs rub our noses in it? No doubt he is receiving his payoff. I am appalled and offended by the very idea of this outrage. Where is our American pride? Why are we allowing this unthinkable insult? I am too poor and too old to travel, or I'd be there right now, picketing the site in protest. I have seen no coverage of such action, but I do pray it is there. I urge every red-blooded American to organize and carry out a boycot of New York until this is defeated. This is an abomination. Do not let it happen!!
(88) Anonymous, August 20, 2010 8:53 PM
Religious freedom & respect for 9/11 dead & families
Religious freedom is primary and respect for the 9/11 victims and their brokenhearted families is also primary--a both/and situation. Therefore build the mosque somewhere else which preserves religious freedom and at the same time maintains sacred space in the memory of the people who died on 9/11 and for their families and for all of us who also mourn.
(87) Bithyah, August 20, 2010 3:31 PM
Ms. Kurtin
Ms. Kurtin you have surprised me on your stand on this one. A christian outreach is moving next door to where you live in Texas. They will be leaving tracts at your door, mailing you flyer's of the potluck dinner next Friday. They will stand in the street in front of your house and pray for your lost soul. As soon you leave the house they will be there evangelizing you. And yes telling you, you are going to hell. Pause....Your emotions are stirring over the thought. Now that is the way most of us feel about the Mosque community center. Yes, it will have a Mosque inside also, but that is not the point. Ms. Kurtin you are in agreement with the Koran that says "do not try to stop a Mosque being built" However, even Muslims know they do not have to support this. Some facts, they have only raised a little less than $19,000. The Muslim community is not supporting this building fund. So most Americans are in agreement with the majority of Muslims on that. It is in poor taste where they are planning to erect this! I am not trying to change your mind, by using the allegory above I can hope you can understand some of us think this is not a good idea, and most Muslims agree with that also. The President doesn't even think it should go up there. He did clarify himself over his first statement. It's alot more than emotions! Even with all the free publicity about the Mosque-community center, funds still haven't came in. It's NOT going to because the majority of Americans and that does include the Muslim community, do not want it there.
(86) Jon Stein, August 20, 2010 2:13 PM
Agreed
The perfect summary; "A mosque really seeking to build bridges, Rauf’s ostensible hope for the structure, would accept the offer."
(85) Jack Strong, August 20, 2010 1:33 PM
Hamas is a terrorist organization
It is distressing to read that the Iman of this proposed Mosque does not recognize Hamas as a terrorist organization. The government of America recognizes Hamas as a terrorist organization. Thus, the preaching by this Iman near hallowed ground is a sacrilege to the memory of defenders of human freedom that died nearby.
(84) David Waldman, August 20, 2010 4:35 AM
I agree with Mayor Michael Bloomberg
We can always find reasons to not do the right thing. The key point is that the Constitution guarantees all peoples' rights, and no tragedy should be used to overcome that.
(83) Daniela, August 20, 2010 1:18 AM
Beverly Kurtin is right !
Beverly Kurtin is by no means a liberal, if I've read all of her other comments through the years right, and neither am I, but guess what - she's 100% right. Sorry, but it's true.
(82) rory, August 19, 2010 10:56 PM
NO to the mosque at ground zero
I agree completely with Mr. Krauthammer. And may I add, it's not only sacrilegious, it's obscene.
(81) joe, August 19, 2010 9:19 PM
Islam is a Trojan Horse
just like a sophisticated virus, it's coming in slowly and infecting the free world - until one day it will come in for the kill. We all know it. Just we're to afraid to do what needs to be done.
(80) RBurton, August 19, 2010 9:10 AM
No mosque at or near ground zero
This whole thing with placing a mosque at or near ground zero is ridiculous. This idea is completely disrespectful of those who died on 9/11and to those who are still among the living who lost a loved one on that horrible day. It is completely insensitive to the memorial that is attempting to be built at ground zero. A 15 story mosque would actually over shadow the memorial. Instead, it draws attention to what THEY did to us. It is as if they are mocking us. Finally, according to many Muslims, that particular mosque is unnecessary. Cartoons of Mohammed are drawn and the entirety of Islam is ready to attack the artist who drew the cartoon. There are those within Islam who attack the west for who we are and what we stand for, however, they cannot withstand any criticism of Islam of their who they live. Those who criticize the US and western society need to be prepared to receive reciprocal criticism. I will be greatly disappointed if New York City follows through with this request of building a mosque near ground zero. If they do follow through with the request then all they will have done is caved into political correctness.
(79) MARIA, August 19, 2010 2:17 AM
no mosque on ground zero
it is rediculous to build a mega mosque or mosque of any size where so many innocent people of all walks of life with an array of religious beleives lost their lives! We should all respect this very difficult day which hit the hearts of so many of us!
(78) allen graham, August 19, 2010 1:40 AM
this is america do not billd one anywhere in america
(77) Anonymous, August 18, 2010 9:19 PM
DO NOT BUILD THIS MOSQUE.
Wake up America! Islam is a religion dedicated to the annilation of Gentiles (America) and Israel. When you have a religion dedicated to overtaking another country and people, you lose your rights - period. It's time to forget political correctness and realize we are fighting a war. We've never fought this kind of enemy before. If they're so moderate and so considerate of others, they should be running to find another location to house the mosque in NY. We are blind to what's going on here and in the world. Next we're going to be hearing about muslims rights to have sharia law in this country. We have NO obligation to provide any entity with a mosque when we lost Americans of all nationalities at 9/11. And, have we asked ourselves why the Greek Orthodox Church has received no response to their request to rebuild the church that existed at the 9/11 site. They lost their building to the bombing. When are we going to wake up? When it's too late?
(76) James Kendall, August 18, 2010 7:43 PM
Ok, how far then?
So 2 to 3 blocks away from Ground Zero is too close. Pray, tell me how far it needs to me to be far enough? There is a Mosque (a true Mosque) 12 blocks away. Is that too close? There are people already praying inside the building that will one day become the religious complex, should they stop? I understand that people are upset and that the dead should be honored. But going after this proposed building yet leaving the strip clubs and shopping stores within 2 to 3 blocks of Ground Zero is hypocritical. Other than the crazed terrorists, there were Muslims that died within the towers. And more importantly, there are Muslims that live in that area of NYC that could use a place to worship.
(75) jyme, August 18, 2010 7:28 PM
What does everyone think of Obama supporting the Mosque?
What does everyone think of Obama supporting the mosque. I'm all for freedom of religion but this is pushing the envelope, I suppose that's what America is all about, but talk about a touchy subject. Muslims get mad when people draw Mohammad, so shouldn't they have the decency to respect other's beliefs? I suppose whenever you believe in something with a passion, you are bound to offend someone.
(74) John Smith, August 18, 2010 6:35 PM
Beverley is the type of person who defends those who want to kill him/her
(73) Midian, August 18, 2010 6:19 PM
It will take 10 yrs for this to come to completion. Many red tape to go through. And plenty of time for Bloomberg and Obama to be out of office and a pro American in office. Plenty of red tape that won't get pass. We love you New York! There is a lady that stands in the harbor in what we believe. She watches over NY. The United States was built on Judeo-Christian. The Jews that came over with Christopher Columbus many were killed by the Indians, but not all! The Indians were cursed for killing them. When the Christians from England came, the Jews and Christians got together to form what this great nation is today. Rome never conquered it, neither will Islam. They have to conform, not us. This is OUR land. Our enemies will be STOPPED! We will be ONE NATION UNDER GOD. History will write the story, American will always stand. When Islamics die for the freedom of this Nation, they can be counted amongst us. When they have gone to war on behalf of the United States of American within our Military, and take up Arms against countries like Afghanistan and Iraq, they can be counted among us and as one of us. Back where I come from, rings out Amazing Grace. The grace of God and his blessings upon this country will continue, even in the face of enemies who do not value our principles and the God we trust in. We honor our dead, not by feasting and recreation like this community center is representing. We honor the dead by mourning their death. Especially those who died way before their time, because they were murdered. NOT by hanging out in some recreational, let's have some fun-time and play. God has said, "my house shall be a house of prayer" he did not say "my house shall be a house of play! Those people go by a different book than this Nation was built on. So you can't scare us off, or run us out, America will survive, by the book that helped formed this Nation. These are the days of America and we will walk hand in hand, to keep our values.
(72) Gerdina Snyman, August 18, 2010 4:42 PM
ITs excactly like the author states: To build a mosque at or near Ground Zero reflects total disrespect towards the happening of 9/11 where 3000 innocent citizens were killed in a horendous way by so called radical Muslims. It's a slap in the face of American patriotism. It's a totally ridiculous intention!!!!
(71) Anonymous, August 18, 2010 4:20 PM
why not elsewhere?
I do not understand the reason to build a mosque or a muslim community centre at such a sensitive. We all know the historic places in Jerusalem, the Al-aqsa mosque built next to a place which is of utmost important to the Jews. Also, I hope the entire world is aware of a similar case in India, where Babri mashid was built near Ram Janmabhumi. The result was that there were clashes between hindus and muslims which turned into riots in the entire India. I think it is high time that we take a lesson from the above two places before allowing any such proposal. 9/11 hijackers were all staying in US and they never thought of being loyal to the country where they were staying.
(70) Me, August 18, 2010 4:09 PM
Oklahoma city as well?
are you against building achurch 2 blocks from the federal building in oklahoma city which was blown up by christian terrorists?
(69) Anonymous, August 18, 2010 3:27 PM
A few points
Muslims that moved to the U.S. to get away from radical Islam, would fear of it coming here, following them to the free country. Where they immigrated to get away from all of that. Those that are part of the radical Islam, in taking over America, to ruffle our feathers, would all be for this Mosque in that location. They say this community center is for all faiths, now that would be the first in the world owned by Islamics, do not believe them on that one. If I wanted to visit the Temple Mount, I could only walk along the outer wall, on the inside. I basically could not visit the Temple Mount. If you pray there, you will be arrested. At Mecca, no Jew or Christian is allowed there. They call this community center is for all faiths? One good point you brought up was about the zoning. My house is private property. If I was to open it up for the community, it would have to be re-zoned. Now I can have prayer meetings, bible studies in my home. If I made it a public place, adding a restaurant and swimming pool and public place of worship, yes it would have to be re-zoned for that. So those that use the argument it's there private property and they can do with it as they please; no, not without it being zoned for it. What about money laundering and money trafficking? Are they looking into that over where the money is coming from to build this 100 million dollar place? The peaceful Muslims that came here to have true religious freedom, even within there own Muslim religion, would not want to see radical Islam, sharia law come to the U.S. It's the very reason why they ship sailed it to the U.S. For the Americans who wanted the 10 commandants taken out of schools and courthouses, who thought that was bad, if sharia law comes into effect here instead; they will think the 10 commandments were a piece of cake compared to sharia law. The departed souls that haunted those nuns, the departed souls of 9/11 will haunt that Mosque/community center also.
(68) J LaLone, August 18, 2010 2:33 PM
Emphatically No Mosque
It was said today that there are 80 mosques in NYC. They (Moslems) cannot relocate to a site that will not pierce the hearts of the survivors every time they are in the area. This is a pattern. One of the most significant cases is putting the Dome of the Rock over the location Where Abraham had gone to sacrifice his son, only to have the Lord save the son when he saw how obediant Abraham was to him. I believe this is the same objective,,,,,to bury sanctified ground with their monstosity that will be built with the money from nations who wish to see all of us dead or subjugated. There has been little or no evidence that US Moslems with to be in harmony with us, loyal to our people and our land and our tenets.
(67) Carolyn Gillihan, August 18, 2010 2:03 PM
Sensitivity should guide those interested in building a mosque/cultural center
Your article does indeed echo my own thoughts and feelings. Granted, the mosque is not actually being built ON Ground Zero. Yet its closeness might be too close. The proposal does cause some distrust of those proposing. Is it a neutral plan? Why is this location chosen? It could be seen as a statement of victory. If those planning to build the mosque would publicly explain their thoughts, that might help those of us who feel wary to let go of those feelings.
(66) LauraHill, August 18, 2010 12:01 PM
Don't Build the Mosque-It's a Matter of Respect
It is heartbreaking to realize what foolish people we have become in this country. We know what Islam believes and that it is super discrimatory. Sharia law cuts off heads, maims and kills women, Christians, Jews, and anyone else who doesn't abide by their law. Yet, we think that because they are in the U.S., they are different, that they turn their backs on Sharia law? Think again. Last year, the Congress called for an IRS audit of 5 Evengelical congregations to find out where they were getting their funds and if they were abiding by IRS rules and regulations. Yet, we have no idea where the funding for this mosque is coming from. Let's bend over backwards to please our enemies and maybe they won't hurt us. Ask Israel is that works.
(65) Stephen, August 18, 2010 8:46 AM
Interesting take by David Frum
David Frum: Is the ‘Ground Zero Mosque’ a publicity stunt? http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/08/10/david-frum-is-the-ground-zero-mosque-a-publicity-stunt/
(64) Anonymous, August 18, 2010 6:42 AM
I Oppose the billding of a mosque in ground Zero Its an offence to all those people ho die their what happen to the american wake up, as you can see the moslems want to put their mosque to defie us.
(63) spencer, August 18, 2010 12:58 AM
Rights and Responsibilities
The muslims may have a right to build a mosque on our sacred Ground Zero, but that does not make it right. How can they expect to build bridges this way? Profaning the Hallowed does not reconcile the differences, it exploits them. The lack of sensitivity to the issue speaks volumes on their intent. US Laws and statutes and the Constitution can't prevent the building, but respect and sensitivity should.
(62) David S. Levine, August 18, 2010 12:14 AM
Krauthammer, My Man
Charles krauthammer did not make me a conservative--I actually became one before he did. But Charles Krauthammer KEEPS me a conservative because conservatism and Judaism are compatable and liberalism is now the anti-Semitic philosophy.
(61) Beverly Kurtin, August 17, 2010 11:24 PM
What is wrong with y'all?
First, the community center is NOT being built on Ground Zero, it is two to four blocks away and will not have a view of whatever goes up at Ground Zero. Second, the Muslims got a good deal on that building. Third, THIS IS AMERICA, PEOPLE. We have a Constitution that says that we have FREEDOM OF RELIGION. It isn't going to be a mosque per se, it is going to be a community center with a cooking school, a basketball court, ,etc. They have received the correct papers that permits them to build where they want to build. I'm ashamed to be an American when I hear this kind of talk. We Jews above all should understand what being denied what we need where and when we have a legal right to do so. In a few years after the hub bub has died down, a lot of people are going to feel just as stupid as they were when restaurants sold "Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast" because France knew better than to join us in a stupid, unnecessary war. Feel stupid yet? How about us treating our Japanese citizens the way we did during WWII? How about the Chinese exclusion act or the Dred Scott decision by the Supreme Court? We over reacted then and we're over reacting now. How good does it feel to be a bigot?
(60) Anonymous, August 17, 2010 10:59 PM
Pray for our leaders
For me as a black Christian, I must say that Obama's policies so far has been largely very disappointing, not the least his recent support for building a mosque at Ground Zero. His predecessors in the office of the President were not better, though. Let all believers of goodwill fervently pray for divine intervention in a world rushing to its own destruction with unprecedented and unimaginable speed!
(59) Aryeh, August 17, 2010 9:33 PM
IN THE WORDS OF ABERHAM LINCOLN
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate - we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract.
(58) Anonymous, August 17, 2010 9:22 PM
of course <19> is right ! after a few days, they will say that there never was a WTC at New York as they said that there never was the Solomon Temple on Har Hamoriah, the Temple Mount. perhaps too late," le ver est dans la pomme"
(57) Bubbe A, August 17, 2010 9:20 PM
Right to practice ....
I believe in the right to practice your choice of religion. Substitue Jew for Muslem and how do you feel? Start with one religion and who will be next? Jews? Mormons?...Are we not treating Muslems like Nazi Germany treated Jews? !, We are joining the terrorists by "agreeing" what they are against...one of the basic principles our country : freedom! shame on you! Remember, the terrorists may be Muslims, but all Muslims are not terrorists. Madoff was a Jew, but all Jews are not shysters.
(56) Anonymous, August 17, 2010 9:16 PM
We must be sensitive
I agree with what Krauthammer has to say, even though I don't often see eye to eye with him. This time he is right on. He gives excellent examples for not building the mosque, particularly the one where he mentions the Gettysburg Battlefield vs. Disney. After all, what harm could there be with Disney? But sensitivity won out, and that's exactly the point. The families most effected would have even more of a reminder of their pain every day. Why should we add to their pain? Mayor Bloomberg needs to reconsider his remarks. I think the mosque should be built, but not on that spot, so close to Ground Zero. Officials in New York: Make that swap!
(55) Judy, August 17, 2010 8:48 PM
Good statement on location
We are planting the seeds of our own destruction. One of the goals of muslims is to plant mosques in special locations to show their power. Why else would they have planted a mosque where the temple was in Jerusalem, the most holy site in the world. This is part of their battle plan. There is a difference between groups of people who come to our freedom for religious freedom. Especially when they were persecuted in other countries. There is a difference between those of other faiths who came to America and became loyal to our country. Not those who come here with plans to destroy and take down our country. Yes, there are good muslims, and then there are terrorist muslims. But with the seeds of hatred in places like Palestine where the children are being groomed to hate and go to war, just like Hitler took the youth and trained them for war, is going on, and we should be warned. I just can't help but wonder how many officials were bribed with Middle Eastern oil money. Some people will sell their souls and the souls of their fellow Americans without conscience. God help us all. Judy
(54) Dani, August 17, 2010 7:29 PM
A mosque should not be built so close to the 9/11 disaster site.
Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf’s proposal smacks of incitement. Incitement to insult, and arouse the feelings of families touched immediately by the 9/11 disaster as well as the feelings of people around the world. Has the Imam done this to prove his power?Has the Imam done this aggrevate a very delicate situation? Has the Imam done this in order to dominate American politics when there is so much else that politicians and people are concerned with, and they do not need to be bothered or made upset by the Imam. The mosquecan be built but not at that site. What the Imam seems unaware of or hoolds in disregard is the anti-Islam sentiments that will be triggered by the building of the mosque. A remembrance garden, with fountains, flowers, seats for people to relax and/or relfect, a place of calm, that is what should be built as a tribute to all the fallen and to the families who still have to deal with the pain of loss on a daily basis.
(53) Sydelle Sydney, August 17, 2010 7:18 PM
They only want to show victory over the West!
According to the Koran, we are the infidel and they are allowed to tell us whatever necessary to destroy us. wake up! EVIL EXISTS! They mean what they say in THEIR newspaers. Bloomberg is in denial. Islam sees our weakness and will use it against us. We are sensitive. They are not.
(52) javed massey, August 17, 2010 7:09 PM
hi,it is realy shame for us ,christian people give all type of freedem, in westren countries,and islamic peoples kelled more then 3000 innocent people on zero point,just few year back.i am pakistani christian,want to tell you,have you heard about christians living in islamic countries. it is terrable.and govt of usa providing funds and pice of land to build amosque in same place, it is shame.............
(51) r. baer, August 17, 2010 6:45 PM
moslem victory mark
you know how dogs mark their territory as they walk along the street? moslems mark territory they believe they have conquered. ground zero is their latest fire hydrant.
(50) Karen V, August 17, 2010 6:39 PM
Because that happens to be the land they owned
@Steve Why there? They currently own and meet in the Park Place building. It is theirs. And they got it for a good price because it was off the beaten track and not good for retail traffic. You can't see it from the WTC site. Would you act kindly if someone said you had to move your synagogue in Midtown because the JDL had engaged in violence against the Soviet embassy as it did in the 1970s? "Cordoba triumphalism" is a figment of Newt Gingrich's imagination. The Muslims purchased the 100 year old church site 66 years after the conquest of the Visigoths (who had sought to convert or expel Jews.) They were welcomed by Jews who helped during the conquest and who were given substantial freedom in what was known as the "Golden Age for Spanish Jews." The Muslims built a mosque with the largest library of the world over a period of 200 years. The Roman Catholics took it over after the Muslims were expelled from Spain (along with the Jews) and put a Gothic cathedral in the center. So while "Cordoba" could just as easily be construed as meaning defeat. It most probably referred to the long time of interfaith tolerance. (The owners of the Park Place mosque agreed to change the name since it is a stumbling block for so many.) Islam requires mid day prayers and the current mosques in Lower Manhattan are very overcrowded. Making them trek uptown is not right. Their land, their prayer space, their business.
(49) Howard Raymond, August 17, 2010 6:30 PM
Mosque Not at Ground Zero
The Muslim Community Center is to be built four blocks, more or less, from the site of the destruction of the World Trade Center. The ground at "Ground Zero" still has not been changed from the crater that was left when all the horrible debris was cleared away. I have learned that the address of the proposed Community Center is 45 Park Place. I'm surprised that as learned a man as Charles Krauthammer would be drawn into this side of the controversy. You are an expert to whom I turn for an expertise that seems to have failed you this time. Shalom, Howard
(48) Sebastian Jacob Vettom, August 17, 2010 6:29 PM
Think Again...
I'm a man with liberal political ideas living now in India. I was one among the selected few in the history of humanity that witnessed the second hit and the collapse of the towers from my 27th floor studio in Queens. Yes, anybody can build something of his choice in his private property. But honestly speaking, I sincerely feel that the proposed site for the Mosque is not in conformity with the memories of September,11. Please find some other place, please leave alone that area.
(47) Anonymous, August 17, 2010 6:23 PM
Good Article
This is a very concise and good article. I believe it is a sign of disrespect to those who died at 9/11 to have a mosque so close to Ground Zero. It should be put somewhere else, out of respect to everyone, including Muslims.
(46) John Smith, August 17, 2010 6:16 PM
The similarity of Islam and Nazism is very amazing. For example, Mohammed frequently referred to Jews as pigs and apes, as did several Nazi Party newspapers, like the ones owned by Goebbels and Streicher.
(45) chaiah schwab, August 17, 2010 6:04 PM
I have three words for Mayor Blumberg...
I have three words for Mayor Blumberg: location, location, location. Thank you, Mr. Krauthammer, for comparing this to the nuns at Auschwitz, and even more, for pointing out Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf’s hesitancy at declaring Hamas to be a terror organization. America, wake up and smell the hummus!
(44) Coaster, August 17, 2010 6:00 PM
Make them build it in the shape of a foot...
If they build it in the shape of a shoe maybe the USA will get a clue. They are cramming a giant foot in the door to pressure us to buy what they are selling.
(43) Stephen, August 17, 2010 5:55 PM
Be realistic and open your eyes
The Koran can be divided into two parts: early writings and later writing. The early writings embrace others. The later writings say to oppress and subjugate, if not then kill. The contradictions are explained within the Koran as that the later writings supersede the earlier. The later writings are what prompted the events of 9/11. Is this the philosophy that is to enshrined at the site of the destroyed twin towers? It is like the Middle East: One thing is said to the world, something else entirely different and opposite by the Mullahs and Immans to their followers. We see this in England and in France. Peace is the word we hear outside the mosque, hate is the word inside the mosque. It is this hate that would be sanctified by constructing a mosque there. The creed of the 19 "martyrs" was Praise be Allah and Death to the Infidels. In Europe there are mosques built at the site of Islamic victories over the West. Will this mosque be another such celebration of a victory? If the mayor and the politically correct wish to be blind to the person stabbing them with a knife, so be it. The rest simply find this construction abhorrent.
(42) Anonymous, August 17, 2010 5:48 PM
No Mosque
I think it's disgraceful for them to have such chutzpah to do this after what happened. There needs to be a 9/11 Memorial. Please tell Mayor Bloomenberg not to give up ethics for money.
(41) Raisa, August 17, 2010 5:27 PM
True!
I am a totally agree, this is a very good article, right and true! Very good parallels with Pearl Harbor, Aushwitz, Treblinka and such. Sacred place has to remain sacred!
(40) Mark Douglas Obenour, August 17, 2010 5:22 PM
Papers Please!
There are worse things to worry about than a mosque near "ground zero" in New York! For instance Governor Jan Brewer and the "nazi-like" Papers please mentality of AZ SB 1070! Papers Please...was bad enough in Nazi germany...we don't need that in America! You can't let Religious Extremists and America's enemies and what they have done, taint your American Melting Pot Philosophy, Patriotism, or Altruism! Has America become like Archie Bunker? Are Biggots the rule rather than the exception? Are you going to view ALLl Islamics as RADICAL EXTREMISTS? I can't think of a better thing to do than to plop that Mosque right where it will show those EXTREMISTS they didn't affect AMERICAN'S ideals in the slightest! LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF...Trust the Torah to bring everyone back to worshiping Hashem as the creator and sustainer of the universe...and most of all read Leviticus 19:18 and HAVE A NICE DAY! : )
(39) Anonymous, August 17, 2010 5:16 PM
We should not build a victory Mosque
I feel that it is a disgrace to even consider building a Mosque anywhere near ground zero. They are doing it with total disrespect for our Country.
(38) Anonymous, August 17, 2010 5:14 PM
Krauthamer's column
great analysis of a sensitive problem don't let them build it..
(37) Anonymous, August 17, 2010 5:05 PM
Building houses of worship
I think that we should build a synagogue, church and hindu shrine right next to the mosque. Then it truly would be freedom to worship.
(36) Steve Skeete, August 17, 2010 5:03 PM
Sincere or sinister?
There are some who believe that attempts to build a mosque in close proximity to Ground Zero are sincere. However, there are several questions that may be asked in regard to this sincerity. Why not build somewhere else with the same intentions? And why not accept the Governor of New York's offer to assist in finding another location? What would be the difference between building close to Ground Zero and building somewhere else in Manhattan? And why not seriosly take into consideration the feelings and sentiments of the thousands whose family and loved ones perished? Or the wishes of firemen who lost three hundred of their colleagues? Would not defering to the wishes of those who looked on helplessly as family, relatives, colleagues and friends died needlessly send a powerful message of goodwill and reconciliation? On the other hand some believe that there is more to this proposed mosque that meets the eye. They believe the name "Cordoba" smacks of triumphalism. They see this as a sign of moslem's sense of ascendancy in America. So Islam in America can "trample the graves" of the "defeated" with the impunity that the American legal and constitutional system allows. One other thing that is being said, which I hope is not true, is that moslems in America have an ally in the President's office. This office has been consistently used to speak well of Islam even when it meant disparaging christianity in particular and the U.S.A. in general. The president, people say, is constantly giving comfort and succour to Islam while white-washing or dimishing all of it wrong-doing including 9/11. The President in his Ramadan address deliberately spoke up for Islam on this issue as well. Those involved in the proposed mosque would cover themselves in praise and glory if they were to give in on the matter. I believe that if they are sincere they will.
(35) Karen Vaughan, August 17, 2010 4:50 PM
It isn't a mosque, it isn't on Ground Zero and they are already using it.
I am a New York City resident who worked at Ground Zero taking care of the EMTs and firemen and I don't see what the big issue is. Did you know that the building they want to rebuild is already a mosque (prayer space)? It has been for a few years. They own one of the two buildings and have had a purchase option in their lease on the other. Their Sufi iman already runs a congregation in the financial district, which is in the Ground Zero area. He and his wife consulted with Jewish organizations to see what issues the space might have. It is planned to be a Muslim version of a YMHA, complete with recreational rooms, prayer space for Muslims on the uper floor and space for interfaith outreach programs. It is designed to show that Islam does not necessarily involve extremism because the Iman feels a special burden to speak out. There are about 750,000 Muslims in New York City and only about 90 mosques, with only the one in Harlem being of any size. These are our neighbors. My children went to school with them and I served on the PTA with them. Many have been Americans for several generations. Some helped dig out bodies after the attack. They deserve places to worship or have recreation. Park Place is not visible from Ground Zero, so calling it a Ground Zero Mosque when it is a lower Manhattan Muslim Y, is hyperbole. There are a couple of strip clubs, bars and all kinds of retail stores on this "hallowed ground." Frankly the real hallowed ground is at the WTC site and it will be covered up with commercial office towers, which really seems inappropriate to me. I have worked with interfaith groups including our Muslim neighbors. Many are Americans and many others emigrated here for freedom including freedom of religion. (Try being the wrong kind of Muslim in Iran!) They usually work quite hard, obey laws and differentiate themselves from the extremists. Many of them actually died at Ground Zero. There are extremists, no doubt, but they are not the majority.
(34) Anonymous, August 17, 2010 4:47 PM
Back Muslim Nation of Islam's Death Angels Cult
A splinter group, blood-ties, inside the Black Muslim Nation of Islam was the cult called "The Death Angels". Before this cult was broken up it was reported that full membership in The Death Angels required recruits to kill at least one white person. The Death Angels assaulted, raped, killed several Caucasian victims, terrorizing San Francisco in the 1970's.
(33) Morton Friedman, August 17, 2010 4:25 PM
Minority
The usage of adjectives like minority, radical, fundamentalist, etc. is purely political correctness. When the self proclaimed moderates can purge the Quran of all of its hatred to non-muslims, and to women, then you can speak of minorities. Until then there are just the active and the passive, or not yet active, followers of Islam.
(32) ofironit, August 17, 2010 3:56 PM
build a bridge of trust
after the damage has been done greatly to the obama administartion ,now the gov have to work very hard to rebuild abridge between hope and reality, coz hope will be out of the widow soon and when he will claim that we are at war against terrorism ,americans will say well you just let the foot in the door to step on your toes...mosque at ground zero is a nightmare for years to come , so indecent , OMG
(31) sharron, August 17, 2010 3:44 PM
relegious freedoom? No, it's WAR we are talking about!
islam is a false religious and political system that wants to dominate the world and kill all who will not bow to their ways.They want us to tolerate them, what would happen if a Christian or Jew carried a Bible into one of their mosques? Why can't a Christian or Jew openly talk about their faith in a musllim country??? Without getting their heads chopped off I mean. We are fighting a war with people who have a false god that tells them to murder innocent people who don't believe what they believe. Can you tell that I am FURIOUS?
(30) ellie, August 17, 2010 3:26 PM
Good points and if you go on some of the web sites..you will find members of this community along with Hamasnks who are slinging hate on Zionists......which they claim the distinguish from Jews.....although they think that the Rothchild's own the Federal Reserve...etc.....and one of their big cries is.....Israel is wagging the tail of America.....
(29) GRACE, August 17, 2010 3:22 PM
Nation Under God
We are a Nation Under G-d. May G-d have mercy on those that use His Name to dishonor the innocent lives lost on 9/11. We must stand for all lives lost and not allow the decievers to down-play their true intentions by building their already defiled temple on this ground. Pray that it too will fall before it is raised by the mere sound of our voices as they did at Jericho. Amen! Grace under G-D
(28) (Deacon) Moran McMahon, August 17, 2010 3:10 PM
Do not build the Mosque near Ground Zero
I think if New York's Mayor offered the Muslims another spot they would not take it. They want this spot to embarrass the US . To have a center of Islam right smak in New York city.
(27) Anonymous, August 17, 2010 3:05 PM
WE WILL BE HEARD!!
We are all thinking alike and feeling the same thing about the location. It's in our hearts, IT"S WRONG! Totally wrong where this is planned to be built. Elections are coming up soon, if our voices aren't being heard now, it will then!!!!
(26) Lynne, August 17, 2010 3:04 PM
It NOT at Ground Zero
This is 10 years later and the site is several blocks away from Ground Zero. Between this site and Ground Zero, there is a Strip Club, an Off Track Betting Parlor, several bars, a McDonalds and dozens of street vendors selling fake designer bags and watches. This is NOT "Hallowed Ground" and saying that ALL Muslims are Al Quaida is like saying all Irish are IRA. This is NOT how Jews should act.
(25) ruth housman, August 17, 2010 3:03 PM
Ground Zero
I have read both commentaries and found myself nodding to both and yet, in the final analysis I agree with this one. I don't think it's wise to put a mosque at Ground Zero, and I feel this because what is whipped up is just too much sentiment about what happened, and yes, there is an issue here that does involve sensitivity towards all. If anything has to be built, then make it a spiritual place that is ecumenical, involving all religions, or the spirit of good will towards all. Maybe the ZERO in ground zero should be maintained, and this should not involve further strife of any kind, as so much blood was shed here, and that blood involved people of all religions and persuasions. Keep it sacred space that is reserved for peace but do not make it a holy place, a mosque or any other temple of religion that could be put elsewhere.
(24) Leah, August 17, 2010 2:54 PM
You got it right.
A cogent voice for truth in a maelstrom of confusion about how to apply democratic values that respect the rights of *all* concerned.
(23) Sharon Fleming, August 17, 2010 2:54 PM
Comfort of visitors to Ground Zero
It stands to reason that if a Mosque is built it will become a magnet for Muslim residential. A Mosque serves a neighborhood and people will want to live near it. How comfortable are most Americans going to feel visiting Ground Zero if they have to walk through a predominantly Moslem neighborhood which can be insensitifve to our cultural freedom of dress and lack of male supervision. Ask Detroit?
(22) Dvirah, August 17, 2010 2:48 PM
Usage
I repeat my comment to the related article. The location of the mosque is less important than the activities going on there. These should be closely watched and appropriate action taken if necessary.
(21) Anonymous, August 17, 2010 2:48 PM
Will be a sacrilege to built
(20) Glenn Van Acker, August 17, 2010 2:44 PM
Don't build the mosque
A recent poll taken by Channel 6 (an Upstate New York news channel) reported an astounding 98% AGAINST building the Mosque. Will this be listened to? I'm afraid not. Politics and Liberalism now dictate the running of America. The President has turned a deaf ear to his people, has truned his back on Israel and proceeds with his own agenda. Imagine a Country who can only "Hope" for the best. The Mosque will be built and Islam flaunted in our faces.
(19) Anonymous, August 17, 2010 2:41 PM
No! NO! NO!!! to building a mosque near Ground Zero
Mayor Bloomberg is either a fool or naive! There are over 200 mosques in NY why do they need another one? After the tragedy at 9/11 there was no regret heard by any of these Muslims wanting to build the mosque, no demonstrations of Muslims at Ground Zero condemning the Muslims terrorists (the contrary happened; Muslims around the world jumped on roof-tops with glee to the victory of Osama ben-Ladin!!!; most names of new born boys in the UK are called Osama...). However, whenever anyone dares to 'insult' Islam in any way, thousands of Muslims go out to the street to demonstrate and threaten the infidiles! Muslims are allowed to lie to infidiles in order to achieve their aims!!! So, Muslims live in the West using our democratic system to combat us. If they are as honest and truethful as they pretend to be, let's ask them if they would build a church on one floor and a synagogue on another floor of that building. Or, let's see if they would allow Churches to be build in Saudi Arabia, Baghdad or Pakistan. If they were so honest they would not have the chutzpa to even intend to build a mosque in Ground Zero. Mayor Bloomberg, you cannot compare all these other previous incidents where groups requested to build a place of worship to this one; non of the others tried to destroy America or Islamise the West. Allowing a mosque to go ahead on that spot would be a great victory to Muslims and will use it to train more terrorists to undermine the very democratic system they used to take over our liberty and freedom.
(18) Lesly, August 17, 2010 2:40 PM
Not a Minority!
John, what makes you think "they" are a minority? There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world and 46 muslim majority countries.It is more accurate to view Islam as a political ideology rather than a religion. Their stated intent is to take over the world.
(17) Anonymous, August 17, 2010 2:31 PM
Thank you for your wonderful article. This determination to build a mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero holds no integrity. No mosque should be built on or near this sacred ground.
(16) Anonymous, August 17, 2010 2:31 PM
Thank you for stating it so clearly and beautifully. The insensitivity of the Imams who insist on going forward is not peace or bridge building. It shows what their real aim is, the raising of a monument to their victory over the west. this has to be stopped somehow. The president joining the fray in favor of building rveals yet again where his sympathies lie. Look at the interview in Cairo. Enough said. I am so disappointed in the direction that we are being led. Let us look toward Europe and vow to prevent the same from happening to us.
(15) ilan Samson, August 17, 2010 2:30 PM
Mosque's C-Ps
Everybody better watch it: All that this Mosque nonsense will achieve is to show up the crackpots! One very famous one has already fallen on this
(14) Devorah, August 17, 2010 2:27 PM
Pain of all
We should not forget that in the aftermath of 9/11 that many Islamic countries offered their help to the US to find and punish the people responsible for this. Our government turned down this offer. The offer came out of their own pain that their religion had been so twisted and perverted. I had Islamic students in my high school class who cried and lived in fear of retrubution for something they found beyond imagination. Many have since that time done everything they could to bridge the gap between religions as well has make the commuinty they live in a better place. They had come to America to get away from the terrorists and to live as they put it "real Islam". It is a mistake to lump all Islamic peoples together. There was much pain in the Islamic community over 9/11. I hope we have come far enough to honor the greif of the Islamic community that found this as horrific as we did, and geive together this event.
(13) Joel, August 17, 2010 2:20 PM
Exceptions to constitutional rights mean we have no rights.
How many people are willing to throw the constitution under a bus because they are angry or want to use the issue for political capital? The rights of our democracy trump any personal or group opinions or beliefs. To bar the building of this mosque gives the 9/11 attackers a victory far bigger than the one they had that day.
(12) Nicholas Fulford, August 17, 2010 2:11 PM
Why a mosque at ground zero is wise.
Building this mosque is politically sensitive, and yet to oppose it is worse. If the 9/11 site were purely historical a case might be made for no development on the site, but it is not a purely historical site. The other thing is that the state must remain neutral on this, unless all religious traditions are banned from having a permanent meeting place within "x" distance of the site. How the U.S. does or does not deal with this has other ramifications. A positive example of allowing the mosque shows a tolerance of Islam which flies in the face of extremist Islamist rhetoric. This by the way is one of the reasons I am opposed to the Omar Khadr trial. The international optics are terrible, and help the extemists by offering up a child-warrior poster-child. There is also a realpolitik reason why having a mosque not only near the 9/11 site, but in the midst of it is desirable: "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer" - Sun Tzu (I will leave it to the reader to explore the full scope of why allowing a mosque at the 9/11 site is wise.)
(11) Stan Corbett, August 17, 2010 2:11 PM
President Obama
President Obama said that it is fine to build a mosque in that location. We should respect their right to build it at any location that they wish.
(10) Anonymous, August 17, 2010 2:06 PM
He is 100% correct
there's only one reason why the backers of this mosques want it at that location: to celebrate what happened.
(9) Anonymous, August 17, 2010 1:53 PM
"no German of good will would even think of proposing a cultural center, at say, Tremblinka". No German of 'good will' would today continue to offer ongoing moral and financial support to the idealogy of promoting death to outsiders. Some might do it, but not people of good will. Bloomberg, rumor has it, has had an increase of business lately in his Dubai operation. Let's hope it did not influence his opinions on this matter. He should step down and be silent on this issue as he has the appearance of conflict of interest.
(8) Sathasivam, August 17, 2010 1:49 PM
Islam always celebrates its victories by constructions of mosques on the places it has vanquished. In India, for almost a thouand years , innumerable temples were destroyed and mosques constructed. Specifically on the temples of Ram, Krishna and Shiva. Visitors to the Shiv Temple in Varanasi - India can see that the mosque starts right from the middle of the sanctum sanctorum of the temple. Even today when Hindu prayers are held , the Islamic prayers go on simeltaneously. We cannot expect magnanimity from Islam or Muslims. Never did I expect that in just 9 years from 9/11, Islam would build its victory tower right opposite Ground Zero. That the "moderate" Muslims have dared to do so is a slap in the face of America and the beginning of the establishment of Islamic dominance in the US.
(7) Ori, August 17, 2010 1:42 PM
The mosque is not AT grount zero, but rather 2 blocks away..
There is a huge difference between building a mosque AT ground zero and building it 2 blocks away. The fact that it is being spoken about as AT ground zero shows that reporters are attempting to address and manipulate people's emotions. The truth is that while building a mosque AT ground zero would be tasteless and inappropriate, once you are speaking of a location off-site, the issue no longer stands. People are entitled to pray, and the US promises religious freedom. If you are going to say that a distance of two blocks is too close, then there is no objective place to draw the line. People should stop trying to impose their arbitrary distinctions onto others.
(6) JRL, August 17, 2010 1:38 PM
Cordoba House is not a mosque and it is not at "ground zero"
Cordoba House will be located two and a half city blocks from the far corner of the former esplanade of the twin towers. It will be primarily a community center whose board of directors will represent many faiths and whose mission is to redeem their peaceful Sufi Islam from the hands of the terrorists of 9-11. To insinuate that their mission could ever be subverted by terrorists is to cause them deep anguish, something that is not permitted in Jewish law. There has been a Muslim presence in Lower Manhattan for generations. In fact, the twin towers were built in what was know as Little Syria. I am floored by the bigotry and hatred circulating about this project in the guise of "sensitivity" and "good taste". If we are really concerned with the healing of hurt feelings surrounding 9-11, we will allow everyone to so whatever they can to educate all about the importance of getting along in a multi-cultural world. In short, we should support the mission of Cordoba House, a few blocks from where many Muslims also lost their lives in the horror of that day.
(5) Christian, August 17, 2010 1:11 PM
Not Ground Zero, no allowing free elsewhere
They can build ELSEWHERE of course but we need to ask that as manu mosques are built in our country as many churches or synagogues we're going to build in muslim countries. One side only, no thanks.
(4) Sam, August 17, 2010 1:10 PM
Well said
Perfect commentary. Thank you very much for a clear message.
(3) Mohammad, August 17, 2010 1:01 PM
Islam and Judaism
Mr. John Smith. Don't compare Islam with Nazism for only one reason which is that Judaism is the main resourse of Islam. The similarity between Islam and Judaism is very amazing. please read the Tanakh and Koran carfully first.
(2) D. BOWLES, August 17, 2010 12:58 PM
Build the mosque when........
I think we should allow muslims to build the mosque the same day they allow a synagogue or church built in, Mecca. Their actions in wanting this is about as sensitive as cutting the throat of our people on t.v. so their loved ones can see them suffer. Mayor Bloomburg and the zoning commission should hang their heads in shame.
(1) John Smith, August 17, 2010 10:05 AM
They may represent only a minority, but that minority is practicising the true Islam as dictated by Mohammed, much like the minority SS practised the true Nazism as dictated by Hitler The Jews of that time buried their heads in the sand too