Dear Lauren,
I'm 19. I was involved in a very unhealthy, enmeshed relationship with my friend from college. She recently got married and even though the months leading up to her wedding were really hard for me (needing to let go and figure out how I would live my life without her), now that she got married I feel alive again. It was a relief for me because there had to be a separation, and her marriage served as an excuse for the lull in our relationship. I suffered the separation while she flew right into a blissful new relationship, but I definitely feel calmer now than when she was in my life.
My question is twofold: 1. Now that she’s been married a couple of weeks, she’s started calling and texting me again. I’m scared to get close again and open up to her, because I’m scared we’ll fall right back into the old patterns; and then I’ll have a hard time living on the roller-coaster of such a tangled friendship. Do you think there’s a way for me to keep the friendship without falling back into the unhealthy patterns? Not only for myself (I don’t need her that much anymore, though I do miss the emotional connection) but more for her—I don’t want to create any conflict on her end. She doesn’t know how unhealthy the relationship was to the extent that I know. She’s married and doesn’t really care how it was; she just wants to have me in her life again.
2. Do you think that having been involved in an unhealthy relationship makes me an unhealthy person? I'm dating and I’m thinking seriously of getting married, and I want to make sure that I'm going to be attracted to a healthy person….
Lauren Roth's Answer
“Very unhealthy relationship,” “roller-coaster,” “tangled friendship,” “now that she got married I feel alive again,” “I definitely feel calmer now than when she was in my life”…. These phrases you’ve said make it very clear: this young woman is not good for you. Let me say it straight, to you and to all readers: stay away from people who hurt you. Stay away from people who make you miserable. Stay away from people who don’t appreciate you. Stay away from people who are not kind and loving towards you. You deserve better.
You—and I’m talking to you, dear readers, all of you—deserve to be surrounded by people who love and care about you, who are kind to you and who treat you well.
Of course, if you’re already married to someone who doesn’t treat you well, it’s definitely wise to go to therapy together instead of abruptly abandoning the relationship.
But if it’s “just” a friend who’s making your life crazy and miserable, don’t spend time with them. Don’t be manipulated by people who don’t treat you well.
I’ve been through this with quite a few clients. One was a girl your age who had fallen into a relationship similar to the one you’re describing. The “friend” was manipulative and controlling, and made my client’s life miserable. She wanted my client to be with her all the time, she became jealous if my client talked to other people, she insisted that my client stay up for hours talking to her, and she consistently got angry about things my client did. Do you know what I told my dear client? “Stay away from her. Don’t engage her. Don’t spend time with her, don’t talk to her, don’t do things for her. Just go on with your life and be friends with other people.” It took a long time and a lot of hours of therapy for my client to be able to withstand the manipulations of that girl. Once she finally escaped from her clutches, I worked with her on not going back, and not falling into a similar relationship with someone else.
The mantra I kept reminding her went like this: “You deserve to have friends who want what’s best for you, the same way you want what’s best for them. You do not have to be friends with any person who doesn’t treat you well. You deserve better.”
I have another client who consistently chooses abusive friends/boyfriends/husbands. It’s a problem, and she recognizes the problem—now, after five years of therapy. It took many different ways of my helping her see that she doesn’t deserve to be treated badly, and that she can expect the people around her to be kind, soft, gentle, caring, and loving.
I would encourage you to go to therapy, too, to make sure you don’t choose future friends who treat you badly. And the therapist could also help you make sure not to fall back into a relationship with this young woman who affects you badly.
Let me make this graphic.
Today, I was taking a walk, thinking about your question and how to answer you, when I heard bluejays screaming. I followed their noise, and found about five bluejays high up in a tree, surrounding a huge white hawk, and screeching at him. My first thought was your question, and in my mind, I thought at the bluebirds: “Stop engaging him! He’s bigger, stronger, more vicious than you are! Just get away from him!! Stop screaming at him and run!”
I was terrified that he was going to attack one of them. But after a few moments, he stretched his great white wings and powerfully rose off the branch—with a squirrel clamped in his talons.
Oh, my! Now I really thought of you, clamped in the talons of your manipulative friend, and I felt so bad for you, and so happy that you have “escaped.” I can’t stress enough the importance of your staying away from this “friend.” You’ve come so far—don’t go back! It’s like someone who’s lost weight, and then eats poorly and regains it all. Don’t lose everything you’ve gained! Stay away. Don’t answer her texts or phone calls. Stay away.
But my hawk story gets even more freaky. I had heard somewhere that hawks and eagles fly up high with their prey in their clutches, then drop the creature from that great height in order to kill it, then eat it…. As I continued walking, I noticed the hawk, with the squirrel held tightly in its claws, circling and circling and circling—directly over where I was walking! Then, my dear friend, I really thought of you, as I ran, praying all the while “Dear God, please do not let him drop that squirrel on my head. God, please do not let me be attacked by a dying, dropping, terrified squirrel!” And simultaneously, like I said, I thought of you, terrified and running from manipulative friends dropping on your head.
Is that graphic enough to convince you to stay away? Stay away from anyone who doesn’t treat you well. Stay away from people who are not kind to you. Find kind, giving, gentle, loving friends, and you be kind, giving, gentle, and loving right back to them.
Then you won’t end up as hawk breakfast, or with hawk breakfast on your head.
(11) D.K. Milgrim-Heath, November 18, 2016 4:35 PM
Friendships Can Be Difficult Ones Of Manipulation
Friendships Can Be Difficult Ones Of Manipulation
By D.K. Milgrim-Heath ©2016
Friendships can be difficult ones of manipulation-
The manipulator needs his emotional,psychological successes at all times for celebration.
Their feelings(not always) are empathetic being quite calculatingly cold-
They're always right you're fought with and they're bold!
The manipulator's mantra 'My Way Or the Highway'holds forever for them true-
Aren't you glad you're not like them morally as you're better than them being kindly you!
(10) D.K.Milgrim-Heath, November 18, 2016 3:19 PM
The Eyes Of True Friendship
The Eyes Of True Friendship
By D.K. Milgrim-Heath ©2005
When we are little with a whole lot of learning to do-
We know who truly loves us – this is very true.
We go throughout our lives with many tribulations with a trial-
Not everyone is in our lives for a long while.
Not everyone is a true friend but they are users – that’s their style.
We had people in our lives showing friendship while being really fake-
When real emergencies came up – they weren’t there for our sake-
This is when we really know a ‘friendships worth’ was at stake
Whenever anyone exchanges loving friendship messages with me-
I know that their friendship is as genuine as could be-
Their presence is felt in the heart of a friendship tree.
Whenever I’m feeling down and very sad-
I always seem to get an email that makes me glad-
To have people such as you – makes for the best friendship I’ve had.
In good and troubled times as there are many - I can honestly say-
I’ve friends from family and friends (as close as blood ties) always there for me every day.
I love you all very much and if I ever had the money –
I'd fly everyone in my life to one place for a very big party in some big room –
Really I would do that-yes I really would do that!
(9) Anonymous, November 15, 2015 4:27 AM
Family
What to do when the controlling, manipulative person is a sibling? Nothing is black and white - all people have good and bad sides. Sibling has both - but the controlling, manipulating and verbal harshness with anger/rage is damaging to me. Staying away but still on my mind and emotions. Sibling has issues, needs healing. I know I cannot do for her. How do I be free from it, even when I am separated from sibling, to sense my own identity and life?
(8) scott, May 8, 2015 7:44 AM
You are worth more than that.
I spent a couple years volunteering at womens domestic abuse shelters. It was a sobering experience. At the end I was faced with some horrible truths. One of which is that some (not many) women brought it on themselves. Not consciously. But they either sought out abusive spouses or turned their normal spouses into abusers and could not wait to heal up and get back to the beatings. It's a horrible truth.
Some thought they deserved it.
Others of this ilk were programmed by abusive upbringings to think abuse was love. Daddy loves me because he takes the time to beat the crud out of me like he does to mommy. So my husband needs to beat me so I feel loved. When I realized that it shook my world.
Either way it was all about the externally generated senses of their women. The abusers gave them a sense of self worth.
I think its may be the same way with people that seek out manipulative friendships. Someone who takes the time to manipulate you must have some need for you...your self worth comes from the fact that you're important enough to manipulate.
Sustainable feelings of self worth come from inside. They come from the realization that you are a being created by G*d with skills and talents that can make a contribution. Feeling of accomplishment is the only cure for low self worth. Not winning the noble prize, but your own recognition of the things you do to impact the world in the smallest ways. People who feel they are worth something do not tolerate abuse. They are worth more than that.
(7) Joshua Aaron, May 7, 2015 12:55 AM
I know that very often, most people would rather put up with a bad friend than to have no friend at all. This is especially so in relationships where the girl would rather put up with a boyfriend who talks down at her and belittles her, than to be single and have no boyfriend at all.
As a guy, I must say that you should get a boyfriend who respects you and treats you well. Don't settle for anything less. After all, this man might one day become the father to your children. What if he continues that same disrespectful attitude towards you after marriage, and your children learn from his behaviour? That would be dreadful.
Take care and be blessed always!
(6) Anonymous, May 6, 2015 5:47 AM
Well done Lauren
Thank you for an excelent article and an excellent advice. This is a very real problem in our generation. Many people become emotionally dependent on unhealthy relationship due to our own low self image/esteem. Yes we are all worthy to be in healthy and balanced relationships with people who appreciate is, and know how to let us know kindly when they see something in our behaviour is not 100%,because they care and want the best for us. Once we understand our value only comes from G's gifts to us, then we find the strength to become a better person and a better friend. Yashar coah
(5) judy, May 5, 2015 6:41 PM
if you know you feel free, you know to disconnect from the relationship. your own feelings are telling you what to do. whether she knows or doesn't know the problems in the relationship that was is not your issue. she doesn't need to know, and it was not the same experience for her. and to susanE : you're jumping to conclusions that are not justified. friendships can be very emotionally engaging without other issues that you are alluding to. and last: did a 19 year old actually write this question? what kid says "my questions are twofold"?
Alan S., May 7, 2015 8:04 AM
Judy, Susan E. 's comment is perfectly supported by the facts given in the question. She did not jump to any conclusion because nothing was alluded to. She simply stated, paraphrasing, the husband brings in a third wheel to an already complicated relationship. .
SusanE, May 7, 2015 1:32 PM
Pardon?
"and to susanE : you're jumping to conclusions that are not justified. friendships can be very emotionally engaging without other issues that you are alluding " ---------------------- What conclusions?
Lauren Roth, May 10, 2015 11:27 AM
A real 19-year-old
It really was a 19-year-old, which underscores the fact that even intelligent and sophisticated people can fall into unhealthy relationships--all the more reason for us all to be aware and to stay away from manipulative people.
(4) Anonymous, May 5, 2015 4:51 PM
Cut the relationship clean and, let the friend know why.
I have been in that type of relationship with my dearest friend for years. However, with her many degrees my friends thought she had the right to criticize me whenever I might use an incorrect word or do something she did not agree with. She did this once too often and I had had enough. I was hurt by her demeaning words and actions.I sent her a long letter and told her why I was taking this action.It was a very difficult action for me to take.For a long time I missed being with her and sharing our time and space together. We are no longer friends. I have devoted myself to working in my community. Friends do not do what she had been doing and our relationship was over. I asked her to sit down and talk about it, she refused. This was 14 months ago and I have never heard from her again and my life has moved forward. At age 85 , I am alive, well and content.
(3) Anonymous, May 5, 2015 11:46 AM
Unfortunately this advice also pertains to relatives
Hi Lauren--
I have not spoken to my brother in almost 3 1/2 years. A few months ago I called and left a message on his voice mail wishing him a Happy Birthday. His response? His wife emailed me saying that my brother was "glad to hear from you." He is and always has been a judgmental and toxic person. It isn't easy to cut toxic people from one's life and it is often sad. However, we have to think of our own mental health first.
Anonymous, May 5, 2015 8:46 PM
You are looking at this the wrong way
My brother only calls to give good news or bad. I'm not part of his family, I'm not part of his life. But when he turned 50 I ordered a cake and had it sent to him. He sent an e mail thanking me and that's it. and you k now what? I'M THRILLED!!!!! if your brother doesn't show that he cares that's his problem. But you did your part. YOU got the mitzva. Don't think he doesn't realize what you did. HE DOES, whatever is the reason he didn't let you know, like I said, IS HIS PROBLEM. Don't ever give up on him.
My daughter got married in israel and he came. I hugged him and hugged him. BELIEVE ME, HE KNOWS I CARE ABOUT HIM.
Anonymous, May 6, 2015 10:58 AM
Re: You are looking at this the wrong way
Thank you for your perspective. I agree that this is my brother's problem and not mine.
(2) chavie, May 5, 2015 3:15 AM
Lauren is right on target again! We actually had a similar issue and when you break away your life just gets better each day. In the beginning we kept on doubting ourselves and as time went on we knew we did the right thing.
(1) SusanE, May 4, 2015 3:15 PM
More than a friendship.
This is more than a simple girl girlfriend relationship. It is something of an unhealthy attachment to another woman and now would become a triangle with the new husband in her life. You were much too intimately and emotionally involved with this woman. Turn around and run, and understand your feelings about her. Don't enter into a marriage this soon.