Dear Lauren,
My parents have a horrible marriage but they are both too stubborn to divorce. They haven't had a "date night" since before they were married. They have absolutely NO idea about how couples should treat each other. It always strikes me as so pathetic when I read the awesome marriage articles on Aish.com and they do every single thing it says to never do. They constantly have the most stupid and pointless arguments that a 2-year-old would be able to resolve. Sometimes they don't understand each other so much I wonder if they're speaking a different language. They have zero physical attraction for each other and they make it obvious they hate each other. The problem is that it's affecting my whole family.
My father's moods have grown progressively worse over the years and he can be really nasty to us. I just can't stand it. Then to everyone else he acts like a nice guy even though he's just torn our family apart. My mother can be a nice mother but her weakness is that she is also too stubborn to leave an argument or admit she's wrong when she's only hurting herself. I'm 15 and I'm embarrassed to invite friends over because I'm scared my parents will be screaming at each other. And I'm not a little kid who can say so sweetly, "Mom and Dad, it hurts me when you fight." They're impossible to approach because, as I said, they are WAY too stubborn, and it would only agitate my mother and get her really mad at me. What should I do? I'm kind of stuck here.
Sincerely hoping you can help,
Jason
Lauren Roth's Answer
There are two parts to my answer: one part is for you, and one part is for your parents.
In terms of your parents’ part, it’s important for you to realize that they most probably will (a) never read this article, nor any other article like it, and (b) they most probably will never actually change.
People only change when they decide to change, not when you want them to change.
You all know I’m usually an optimist. So why this pessimism? I’ll tell you why, and the reason will save you lots and lots of pain and heartache and frustration and tearing your hair out. Ready? Because people only change when they decide to change, not when you want them to change. This is a corollary of the really important idea: You can’t change anyone else except yourself.
So I will write a part aimed at your parents, but I’m warning you: don’t get your hopes up. People change on their own timetable and on their own volition, not on anyone else’s.
There’s probably nothing you can do about your parents’ behavior. So there’s the pressure off you, for sure, right there. Of course, you can try talking to them, but it probably won’t help (again, until they decide they want to change, on their own timetable and on their own volition). If you want to try talking to them, as you said in your question, you would say: “Mom and Dad, it really is bad for us kids when you disrespect each other. If you can find a way to create a loving and harmonious relationship, that would really help us have a good model for our own lives and relationships and marriages.”
You should make sure to say it to them after everyone and everything has calmed down, not right in the middle of a conflagration. And be prepared for defensive answers. They’ll probably say: “I wasn’t the one who started it. It was your father/mother, not me. If he/she weren’t so awful, we wouldn’t have these problems.” When that happens, just calmly and quietly repeat, “Well, it really is bad for us kids when you disrespect each other. If you can find a way to create a loving and harmonious relationship, that would really help us have a good model for our own lives and relationships and marriages.” Keep gently saying that in response to their insistence that they can’t change.
Also, in terms of the part of the article for you, you can (1) make sure not to learn from your parents’ bad behavior, and (2) seek out positive role models you can learn from. Not learning from your parents’ bad behavior involves being really aware of what they’re doing and making a conscious decision, “I will not speak that way to my siblings/friends/teachers/future spouse/future kids.” Sort of say it to yourself when you see them behaving badly. You can also write down in a journal your observations of their misbehavior and how you would have done it differently. Seeking out positive role models can be done at school, at a synagogue, at your local Jewish community center…. Be on the lookout for people whose way in relationships you admire. Notice how they interact, what they do, how they speak, their tone of voice, what they say, how they make eye contact, when they apologize and how they do it….
Now for the part for your parents. I’m really writing this for you, Jason, so you’ll know how to do your relationships better, and for any couples out there who are actually reading this column with the intention of trying to change their relationship for the better. Unfortunately, your parents probably will never see it, and even if they do, they probably won’t change…again, unless it’s their desire to do so.
That being said, you can definitely print this out and put a copy on each of your parents’ pillows. And on their bathroom counter…and next to the coffee…and on the driver’s seat of their car….
Here goes.
I had a couple in my office this week, and I told this particular husband: “All you need to do is show your wife love, respect, friendship, and don’t raise your voice.” I told this particular wife: “All you need to do is show your husband how much you adore and cherish him and treat him lovingly, gently, and kindly.” And we went through lots of specific examples of their interactions and how they could have each done it better, and why each of them was responding negatively instead.
Here’s the kicker: do you know what their response was? The wife said: “No. I won’t do it. I won’t do it until he does his part.” And, separately, the husband said: “No. I won’t do it. I won’t do it until she does her part.” I told them: “It’s your choice. You can live a miserable existence, and keep coming here every week for a long, long time, and pay me lots and lots of your money. OR you can each do your part, live a happy, lovely, wonderful life, never have to come here again, and keep all that money for yourselves! Hmmm…which should you choose?”
By the way, they chose the stubborn and miserable way. So far. I’ll keep working on them. But I’m happy they chose the stubborn and miserable way this week for one reason: so that people reading this article can say to themselves, “That is so stupid! No, no! Don’t do that!” And maybe learn for themselves in their own lives to bite the bullet and put down their defenses and take off their armor and let themselves be vulnerable and let themselves love.
It’s like in the movies when they hear a noise down in the basement. We know it’s the monster, lurking down there. But they don’t. And they blithely say, “Oh, gee, I think I’ll go down to the basement to check it out.” We’re sitting there at home yelling at the screen, “No, no!! Don’t go there!” But they just keep walking down the hall, turning the knob on the basement door…opening the door….
Don’t do that. Don’t go there. Don’t ruin your own life.
I promise you, dear readers, you can have a happy, wonderful marriage if you each show your spouse sincere sweetness, love, kindness with no expectation of anything in return, deep respect and friendship, and if, when you hurt your spouse’s feelings, you say: “I see I hurt you. I’m so sorry I hurt you. Can you tell me more about how I hurt you so that I won’t do it again?” And then sincerely listen to what you did that hurt their feelings, then say, “I’m so sorry I hurt your feelings. I’m going to try hard not to do that anymore. I love you.”
And if that doesn’t work to create a harmonious marriage, then get thee to a marriage therapist who can help you figure out what the deeper issues are and how you can address them and resolve them.
Take a look at the question at the beginning of this article. Written by a real kid in a real home with real strife. Don’t do that to your kids. Be strong and do the right thing.
(5) Anonymous, May 21, 2020 3:17 PM
well said!
I can use this
(4) Anonymous, June 19, 2015 2:11 PM
Divorce
At a certain stage, different in each case, divorce has to be considered. Divorce is a part of the Jewish legal code. Nobody likes it, but the alternative can be years of multigenerational damage. I am surprised this option was not mentioned by the columnist. Just because the teenager believes his parents "are both too stubborn to divorce" doesn't mean others are necessarily unable to help move the situation in that direction. All else here seems to have failed.
(3) Miriam, June 16, 2015 10:43 AM
Jason, is there anywhere else you can go?
As Lauren mentioned, your parents will likely never change. Is there somewhere else, a happy home, that you can hang out wherever possible? Possibly take your siblings with you? An aunt and uncle, family friend, one of your friends who has a happy home and is happy to "host" an "adopted" member of the family? Maybe a couple of different places?
The best thing would be that whenever you can, simply get out! Hang out in other, happy homes. This will help you and also teach you how adults behave in a happy home so you can one day model that behavior.
There are many kids in really unhealthy situations who manage to grow up okay and go on to live happy lives because of other adults, besides their dysfunctional parents, in their lives.
Try to look around you for other places you can hang out whenever possible. Any basically, quiet, okay place would do the trick for you.
Of course, then, you don't want to leave the siblings to hear the "music" alone but perhaps you can go together or each of you find their own place to go to and "regroup" later.
You are in a really tough situation since as a child you can't just "move out". But one day these years will be over and as a smart, discerning young man (smart enough to read marriage articles on Aish and realize your parents' marriage is sick) you will G-d-willing move on. You sound amazing. Good luck.
Joshua Aaron, June 18, 2015 4:00 AM
Great Advice!
Dear Miriam,
Thank you for your great advice to Jason!
I am a 36 years-old man and I had a childhood very similar to his. As often as I could, I would go be with my cousin (my mum's side) and his family, stay with them overnight, and have even gone on vacations together with them.
It was the only way and time that I could witness how a normal family acted.
At this time of writing, I am still single, and have never dated, due to the emotional scars of my parents' marriage and constant fighting.
But along the journey of my life, HaShem has placed people who came in and out of my life, and showed me what a real family is like.
I hope it all works out well for Jason in the end.
Thank you again!
S, June 18, 2015 6:57 PM
I am so sorry to hear that, but you have an advantage, you have a birds eye view to how destructive their behavior is. I read somewhere that just as we pass down physical genes we pass down spiritual genes. (what your parents fail to correct gets
Assed down to you)It's up to you to break the cycle now. We are in the Parsha of Korach. Korach sins and is punished by Hashem, but his children do not follow in his footsteps. You have the choice not to follow in their footsteps...that is your challenge in life, dont hide from your life mission !
(2) N, June 15, 2015 8:58 AM
My parents are exactly the same way. They constantly argue, scream at eachother, and put eachother down. My mother is very controlling towards my father and constantly puts him down and makes him feel like he is a nobody. My father also disrespects my mother but I feel like it's coming more from my mother who doesn't appreciate anything he does and constantly complains. They are also not attracted to eachother and that is the root cause of all of their fights over every little thing. I am just so scared that I will end up like them that I am nervous about getting married.
(1) Scott, June 15, 2015 6:46 AM
Our parents are our most important teachers.
My mother's mother married nine times. She married the same man twice. Twice. Her dad married her mom twice (divorced her twice too) and three other women.
After the second divorce when my mom was a preteen she went to live with her mother who had the kids eat their afternoon snacks at the local bars that put out sandwiches in the afternoon. She got lost on a day that was snowy and was afraid of freezing to death when he brother found her. He had stolen enough money to get bus fare and travel back to their fathers town where they moved back in and lived from then on. Throughout the next ten or so years she endured cruel stepmothers and their cruel children until she went to college and married.
Her marriage wasn't a picnic. Her kids weren't perfect-i was a nightmare at times...but she resolved never to divorce and to keep her family together.
Eighteen years I lived with her and never left for school without a hot meal. She fought tooth and nail to keep the people under her roof a family. I may not have liked her all the time but I never doubted her love and that she'd out put it all on the line for me at any time. I call every week or come by when I live in town. Have for about 25 years.
A couple of years ago my Mom had a hip replacement that didn't go well. Dad moved into the hospital for a month. Couldnt be without her.
Mom didn't just not get divorced...she got one heck of a marriage.
We learn from our parents even when they behave badly.
Your parents may never change but they are at least teaching you what you don't want and are building a determination within you to do better.
That's not nothing.