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(14) Jean-Victor Côté, August 7, 2019 11:21 PM

No more assault rifles for the public to buy.

Blaming mostly defenseless and already victimized people such as the mentally ill for the crisis is misguided at best. There would be a much better outcome if assault rifles were banned from sale to civilians.

Gershom, August 8, 2019 8:05 AM

It's not totally misguided - ......

Jean-Victor - It's not totally misguided - to put the blame - on those - who commit the crime. It will depend on - the LEVEL - of MENTAL ILLNESS - and IT's CAUSE.
Part of the blame - has to come from - how - they were raised - and from a LIBERAL SOCIETY - that espouses LITTLE OR NO MORAL VALUES. Along with - the APATHY and DESIRE - to make any changes - that MIGHT - cause them - to have to accept any MORAL PRINCIPLES.

Once again - Actual ASSAULT WEAPONS - ARE NOT BEING SOLD - OPENLY - to the PUBLIC - PERIOD. That's a LIBERAL MEDIA TERM - designed to SCARE PEOPLE.
The weapons - like the AR-15 - AR-16 - and the AK-47 - Etc., - ARE ONLY - LOOK ALIKES. Which are designed to attract - those who were brave enough - to have been in the military. And those - who want to have weapons - that emulate the military - and give them the feeling - they're also MACHO.

In todays modern world - when weapons like guns - aren't available. Terrorists - and criminals - turn to MODERN TECHNOLOGY - as we have seen - and use - PLANES (911) - CARS - SODA & BABY BOTTLES - SHOES - or any other IED device - that they can invent - that will cause - mass destruction. Which BTW - recently - have COMBINED - MASS KILLED - more people - than the mass shootings - have - in America - alone.

And as has been pointed out - many times. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE - OWN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of GUNS. However - LESS THAN - .1% of the MILLIONS OF PEOPLE - around 50 PEOPLE - have committed these mass killings.

So why - is everyone so ready - at the EXPENSE OF - the 99% of the MILLIONS OF - RESPONSIBLE - LAW ABIDING PEOPLE - who own guns. WHY - are they trying to TAKE AWAY THEIR G-D GIVEN RIGHTS - to own - guns?
And as I said before - if this is allowed. Then the WHOLE OF SOCIETY - SHOULD BEWARE. Because - at any time - the will and whim - of POLITICIANS - and GOVERNMENT - OTHER RIGHTS - can ALSO BE TERMINATED UNJUSTLY!

Gershom, August 9, 2019 9:17 AM

One more thing - ......

Jean-VICTOR - One more thing - to add to our discussion on Guns. Take a look at - how the LIBERAL MENTALITY - in some places - HAS NOW - LEGALLY - FORBIDDEN - OPEN RELIGIOUS OBSERVANCES - in almost every aspect - of society. And is currently turning toward - stopping all OPEN RELIGIOUS BELIEFS - of - EXPRESSION. ESPECIALLY when - those who hold the belief that - certain HEDONISTIC BEHAVIORS - is a sin - as G-D said - in the Torah. And they openly speak out about it. They - are now trying to LEGALLY - call this - a HATE CRIME - and - PUT PEOPLE IN PRISON FOR IT.

Where - will the SLIPPERY SLOPE - of slowly - step by step - taking away peoples rights - and their right to OPENLY - WORSHIP G-D end?

Remember - this article - that Aish had on their site - by a Lutheran Pastor? Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller WROTE:
"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.".

"When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.".

"When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.".

"When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.".

"When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.".

So - when they choose - the next RIGHTS - the want to ELIMINATE. WHOSE - and WHAT rights - will be NEXT? Will it effect - YOU - and your family? Will it effect - your neighbors and friends?
WILL you sit back and give in? Or - will you join with others - to defeat the process?

(13) Larry Kane, August 7, 2019 9:42 PM

Substantial Gun Control

No one believes that making automatic weapons and large magazines is the complete solution to the crisis in America: 30,000 gun deaths a year. But, this is an important place to start. No one is suggesting taking away hunting rifles or even hand guns. But, unless the US Congress moves to stop the slaughter, the problem will only get worse.

Yes, mental health evaluation as part of gun permitting process is also important. The ultimate solution is a combination of things while at the same time keeping the NR out of the process.

(12) Eleanor Gibson, August 7, 2019 12:12 PM

same -o-same-o

The same knee jerk reaction. Where was legally armed citizen? Guns do NOT kill people, people kill people.. Check out the killings in Israel, how many of them are committed with firearms? Knives, rocks, cars, truck, anything can be made into a deadly weapon. John Wick used a pencil

(11) Judy R., August 7, 2019 5:03 AM

Mass Shootings in the US

It is very sad that it was 2 shootings recently in the United States. It is very interesting that Israelis can carry guns and there is no shootings.(Israelis only shoot, in self defense when a terrorist tries to shoot first) In America if the right people had the guns to shoot the shooter. (There would not be so much victims) Something is wrong when Israelis have guns and use them when needed only, and in America the wrong people have the guns a lot of times. Something is wrong when you keep hearing about another shooting. What is going on in America, that shooters shoot and don't respect human life. What is wrong that triggers people to kill other people? We are living in a sick society that, nobody does anything until the shooter pulls the trigger. What is going on with so much violence in this country? I don't care about people's politics but why aren't people acting civil to each other. This country is so divided instead of being united. What is going on nobody is learning the most important facts that are from the Torah 1. Each person is a world. 2. Treat others the way you want to be treated . 3. Love your neighbor like yourself. 4. The 10 commandments. Life would be much simpler if people learn; this and if they are sick mentally or other ways they should seek help, We have to help these crazy shooters before the kill or hurt others. Also there is no pattern of any kind were will they strike next. It is very random someone will go, to the wrong place in the wrong time and be shoot G-d forbid . I guess that is why Jewish people kiss, their muzuzah before they leave there house and come back to their house. People should say the pray that they came back safely these days. It is scary that you are not safe in your house outside your house. Instead of finding solutions together people blame others for the problem. People should put their differences aside and help solve this dangerous problem. This how I will solve the situation.

sean mcnally, August 10, 2019 5:06 AM

gun control

Great comment, Judy!

(10) Justin Karp, August 7, 2019 12:48 AM

Response

I am willing to consider a government restriction on the condition that we test it out on other things first. It’s hard to get people to want to forfeit their right to self defense without empirical evidence to back government claims. That being said, let’s try a few things first. 1. Make all mass explosive objects such as bombs illegal for civilian use including making, selling and buying of said bombs. 2. Make drugs illegal. Drugs killed over 70k people in the United States just from overdose. Make it illegal to use, purchase and sell. Once we make those illegal, let’s collect data on how many people were saved from these things. If it completely works, we can work on guns and automobiles and alcohol and tobacco next. Then on processed foods.

Dvirah, August 7, 2019 6:46 AM

From Inside Out

Considering Prohibition and its outcome (and eventual repeal), merely "legal" restrictions are not effective; they can even be counter-effective as with Prohibition.
What is needed is a collective effort to return to courtesy and consideration of others (as outlined in Justin's comment), with everyone doing their bit to behave accordingly and teaching their children to do likewise.
Only then will such laws have meaning.

Annie, August 7, 2019 8:21 AM

Drug overdoses are self-induced, so are smoking and eating processed food.

Justin Karp, August 7, 2019 11:35 AM

That’s true, but the point I was making is that these two ideas are already illegal. People use them anyway to carry out their objective. Bombs to kill as many as possible and drugs to feel good regardless what the law says. People will do what they want to do. In other words, guns will not go away regardless if it’s legal or not. There’s a missing spiritual element in this country and the Lubavitcher Rebbe years ago blamed it on killing G-d in schools.

Howard, August 7, 2019 12:10 PM

Response

making and manufacturing bombs is illegal, the components of many bombs--fertilizer, fuel, ball bearings etc are legally purchased. Certain drugs are also illegal. Of what value has that been. Criminals ignore laws, and punishments for those caught are not severe enough.

Justin Karp, August 7, 2019 1:34 PM

Exactly

That’s my point within the sarcasm of my response. Nothing will stop determined people from breaking the law.

Gershom, August 7, 2019 1:38 PM

- there is some merit - in testing - ......

Justin - there is some merit - in testing - as long as - IT's NOT SET UP by the Govt. POLITICIANS - with a hired - paid entity - that will have to follow their guidelines - TO BE SKEWED - IN THE DIRECTION OF - PROVING THAT - IT's GOOD - TO TAKE AWAY GUNS. BEEN THERE DONE THAT.

RE: your point (1) - It is already - HIGHLY ILLEGAL - to make mass explosive objects - such as bombs - etc., - for UNREGULATED CIVILIAN USE. Which includes making, selling and buying of weapons of destruction - like bombs. Right now - the Mining Industry - needs to be exempt.

RE: your point (2) - all drugs - ESPECIALLY - REGULATED MEDICALLY DISPENSED DRUGS - SHOULD NOT BE - made - ILLEGAL. As they keep a lot of people - ALIVE. Though - PRIVATE NON REGULATED DRUGS - are ILLEGAL - and should remain so. Finding a way to make the MEDICAL INDUSTRY - be HELD LIABLE - for the costs - might HELP? Although - PREPARE FOR - the LIBERAL GROUPS - WHO WILL FIGHT - TOOTH and NAIL - to prevent this.

What needs to be done - is find a way to FOCUS FUNDING - on the MEDICAL INDUSTRY - WITH BETTER OVERSIGHT. As well as - funding the agencies - responsible - for DRUG SMUGGLING INTERDICTION. Also - MAKE THE PENALTIES - FAR MORE SEVERE. And here again - we need to prepare for - the LIBERAL GROUPS - WHO WILL FIGHT ALL THIS - EVERY INCH OF THE WAY.

Finally - I'd like to respond to your - Dvirah's and others - EXTREMELY IMPORTANT COMMENTS. Especially - about - WHAT WE LACK - SPIRITUALLY.
WE - need to pray - and find a way - to get G-D - to help us - with the SPIRITUAL RETURN - of our FELLOW MAN - TO G-D's TORAH COMMANDMENTS - LAWS - and MITZVOTH. Mans FUTILE ATTEMPTS - to RESOLVE ISSUES - WITHOUT the HELP OF G-D. Almost always - IN THE LONG RUN - END IN FAILURE.

(9) Wendell GIDEON, August 6, 2019 6:23 PM

Democrats Quit Blaming the President

The Democrats are not interested in solutions and are only making things worse by blaming the President for inciting hatred. It has been the Democrats who have been fomenting hatred since his election by the likes of Maxine Waters asking her followers to get into peoples' faces etc. And just Look at the militia of the Democrats, i.e., Anti-Fa, These are the one who stir up hatred beat innocent people nearly to death.

Regarding military-type assault weapons, perhaps those who are allowed to get them should be able to demonstrate they have necessary the training and background to use them such as having served honorably in the military or law enforcement. If we find out who the nut cases are that would help keep them from possessing these weapons but even weirdos can steal them.

Democrats are stirring up racial hatred more than anyone else and their solution is to take away guns from law abiding citizens. But they must first agree to give up their guns and de-weaponize their own bodyguards.

Gershom, August 6, 2019 9:27 PM

- I'd like to know where -

Wendell - I'm trying not to be - a conspiracy theorist. But - I'd like to know where - and who - the hidden - and apparently - very wealthy financial backers are - for the Democrats. Because from what I can see - read - and hear. Their rhetoric - sure comes awfully close - to the POLITICAL RHETORIC - POLICIES - and MEDIA INFORMATION - put out by foreign nations - like Russia - China - etc..

Jerry Itdzig, August 7, 2019 3:56 PM

who?

How about George Soros, Michael Bloomberg to name two who are financing gun "policy".

Rachel, August 7, 2019 10:57 PM

Baseless hatred

Blaming your fellow Jews, during the 9 days. How awful, and you are doing anti-semites work for them.

Gershom, August 8, 2019 10:51 AM

Nowhere in the Torah - ......

Rachel -Nowhere in the Torah - did G-D say that - we can't tell the truth - or not hold anyone accountable - on certain days. So - not calling for accountability - is similar to burying our heads in the sand - to avoid - the truth. In the Torah - it gives an example - when SOME - of the forefathers - went out to search for mann - on the Sabbath. Those people - were caught on Shabbat - and held accountable. And on these days - including the 9th of AV. WE - should also be remembering - JUST WHAT WERE - some of these acts - of BASELESS HATRED - toward their fellow - (like these people have done) - whom we presume - caused the Temple Destruction - and could again.

Anonymous, August 7, 2019 6:52 AM

Not Enough

Past military service is not a guarantee of future integrity. A person might be sane at the time of purchase of the gun but go insane later. At any rate, the tool is less important than the intention; if there were no guns, other weapons would be devised.

carl rogers, August 7, 2019 7:07 PM

Justin-Sage Commentary

The far left, which now includes the main stream media, daily preaches hated and excuses violence whenever it's directed at "the other side". Until we seek unity, civility, and respect for one another, and as long as the daily drumbeat of negativity continues on the left, we can expect deranged individuals to be spurred toward mass and senseless violence. I'm not a bigot or a white supremacist or anything of the other bogus templates the left employs to impugn citizens who want to preserve the rule of law, and sincerely promote truth and justice for all. Limiting individual freedoms, and attempting to silence all dissenting opinion-- specialties of the left-- will not improve life in America, nor will it make the country "safer".

(8) Anonymous, August 6, 2019 6:16 PM

And for those who think the AR 15 is a machine gun, heh, heh...

I can’t even give a logical response to that idiocy.

(7) Anonymous, August 6, 2019 6:13 PM

Outlaw gun-free zones

No brainer. And to those who want to usurp the Second Amendment: educate yourselves on why it exists. And for those amongst us who want to do something! anything! to stop the killings: start with Chicago, a gun-free sanctuary city whose dead ny gun-fire number more than this weekly. And for those who want to confiscate guns for the children: more children drown annually than are killed by gun-fire, so start with bathtubs and pools.

Victor, August 6, 2019 8:14 PM

Anonymous

Bathtubs and pools are created to enjoy, guns are created to kill ppl, two different things, can’t compare the two. All legal and illegal guns must be banned and removed. We must do it at some point and the sooner the better. First we must make sure illegal guns and criminal possession are removed first and then legal ones won’t need it. It won’t be done in one day or in one year but over a decade or generation we must go away from gun culture, slowly we must move toward that direction, there is no good outcome for anyone to have guns. It’s someone else’s problem until God forbid it happens to someone personally, so we must all care for each other

Gershom, August 6, 2019 10:33 PM

Until - ALL - the GREEDY - AVARICIOUS DICTATOR DESPOTS - ......

Victor - Until - ALL - the GREEDY - AVARICIOUS DICTATOR DESPOTS - the CRIMINALS - and the other DEMENTED PEOPLE of the WORLD - WHO WISH TO DOMINATE THE WORLD - CEASE TO BE. LET'S LET G-D - GET THIS RESOLVED.

**And - until G-D CAUSES ALL MANKIND - TO FULLY RETURN TO KEEPING G-D's Torah Commandments - Laws - and MITZVOTH**. May it be NOW!
**LET'S HOLD OFF OF - THE - FAR TO EARLY - and PARANOID DISARMING of the PEOPLES - that CURRENTLY - NEED TO - and CAN RESPONSIBLY - DEFEND THEMSELVES - their LOVED ONES - and their COUNTRY**.

Anonymous, August 7, 2019 11:00 PM

2d Amendment

I took 2 semesters of Constitutional law. 2d Amendment exists for “security of a free state”. Before professional military and police, that meant ordinary citizens who could be called up in times of emergency.

Gershom, August 8, 2019 9:21 PM

- there have been - numerous angry debates - ......

Anonymous - there have been - numerous angry debates - on this issue - in and on - multiple forums - sponsored by different groups - and in different schools. In most recent history the liberal left - has said they believe that - the correct intent - and understanding - we should have - of how the founding fathers - MEANT WHAT THEY WROTE - was only the militia. Though - most well trained legal experts - have said - that's not so.

Of course - the liberal lefts agenda is - that it wants to deny the right of - individuals - to own arms.

However - most people in the middle - and those on the far right - believe the forefathers - intended for all men - to be able to own and carry arms.

It seems that - for all - it's all POLITICS.

(6) George Matyjewicz, August 6, 2019 6:06 PM

Vetting Process

Better vetting of gun buyers in ALL states, and elimination of gun purchased online. And, stop selling machine guns like AK-47. I can't ever remember somebody using an AK-47 for deer hunting! You can't eliminate all guns, but you can control who has them and what they have.

For those who believe that all guns should be banned, consider this - more people are killed in automobile accidents, so should we ban all autos also? Hmmm come to think of it, that's not such a bad idea.

Victor, August 6, 2019 6:20 PM

George

Cars are designed to transport ppl, yes improvements in transportation could be made. Guns are designed to kill ppl, it’s a whole different thing, you can’t really compare the two

Gershom, August 6, 2019 6:41 PM

Cars - and trucks ---> OFTEN A WEAPON OF CHOICE - by TERRORISTS ......

Victor - Cars - and trucks - though designed for transportation. THEY are now - OFTEN A WEAPON OF CHOICE - by TERRORISTS - FOR MASS KILLING OF PEOPLE - NOT WITH GUNS. They've been used FREQUENTLY - here IN ISRAEL. And as we've SEEN RECENTLY - ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD AS WELL.

TERRORISTS - have turned baby bottles - bottles of soda - or plain water - shoes - ETC., INTO USEABLE BOMBS. The NORTH KOREANS did it - AND MASS KILLED an AIRPLANE LOAD OF PEOPLE.

So - WHERE DOES THE BANNING OF (X) - AS WEAPONS END - for those WHO LIVE IN FEAR of EVERYTHING?

Victor, August 6, 2019 7:35 PM

Gershom

Guns in general public and terrorists are two completely different subjects, you are completely changing the subject to terrorism which needs to be addressed separately, I am talking about gradually phasing away guns from public, confiscating and not selling over the next generation so we stay away from gun culture, again terrorism is a totally different issue which I am not addressing right now

Gershom, August 6, 2019 8:13 PM

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Victor, August 6, 2019 8:41 PM

Gershom

Gershom, again issue of terrorism and guns are two different subjects that can’t be combined in this conversation. All types of terrorism must be eradicated no matter how it is carried out. The reason I am opposed to guns is simple, no normal or healthy society should allow guns in general public. It’s someone else’s problem until God forbid it happens to someone personally. We must care and protect each other and it’s governments obligation to do so. I understand it can’t happen in one week or one year but over a decade or generation we must go away from gun culture. First we must catch and remove all criminal and illegal possessions, second not sell it anymore, legal owners will not need it anymore eventually but I am talking years in the future, slowly removing all guns, it is the only safe way. Even lawfully owned guns are misused many times, dispute with a neighbor or foe can turn deadly by law abiding gun owners, stolen guns can be misused, accidents and wrong use will always happen. Guns are designed to kill ppl and even one life is too much. Life is precious and ppl owning guns is accident or dispute waiting to happen. In NY this week someone was shot over a parking spot, I am not even going in to mental illness or other motives. I am saying slowly we must be a healthy society and it should not include guns. I think we must work toward that goal but gradually we must start at some point, the sooner the better but many ppl have combative mentality which does not apply as in old days.

Gershom, August 6, 2019 10:09 PM

The COMMON DENOMINATORS ......

Victor - again - we cannot in any way - separate this issue of guns and terrorism. WHY? Because - guns - or any weapon - are the COMMON DENOMINATORS HERE. THEY - ARE THE - if you will - VEHICLE - not only being used - RESPONSIBLY. BUT - ALSO - the VEHICLE being used for - DESTRUCTION. In a NORMAL AND HEALTHY WORLD - SOCIETY - 99% - of the people - who have weapons - are USING THEM RESPONSIBLY. SO WHERE - IS THE PROBLEM - IN THAT? OTHER THAN and URGE - to play a SELF ANOINTED G-D - and take away - the RIGHTS of the 99% - of the PEOPLE WHO are acting RESPONSIBLY? ** PEOPLE WHO SEEK TO DO THIS - ARE VERY PARANOID - and SCARY** ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY JUSTIFY it - OVER TIME. JUST LIKE DICTATORS HAVE DONE. And - once they get away with - enacting their current PARANOID - FEAR OBSESSION. They will seek out - the next thing - or person - they want eliminated - because - they don't like it - or them. It's happening in NORTH KOREA - EVEN TODAY - with things their LEADER - is PARANOID OVER.
YES - in a PERFECT WORLD - with the WHOLE OF MANKIND - KEEPING the Torah Commandments - Laws - and Mitzvoth - THAT G-D - gave us. There could be a discussion - about the need - for weapons - of any kind. Although - if mankind is using them responsibly - there is no harm in having them. As mankind - WILL NOT - use them IMMORALLY - in a G-D RUN WORLD. And if there is a problem - IT WILL BE G-D Himself - that will BAN THESE WEAPONS.
The - COULD BE - IF RATIONALE - is JUST PARANOID FEAR MONGERING. If we read the Torah - we can see - it can happen - just like it outlines - in the Torah - **for people who had a combative mentality**. Someone - with a ROCK - OR (X) - could ACCIDENTALLY - OR get angry - and KILL SOMEONE. BUT it then becomes - our responsibility - to follow G-D's Command - on what to do. The PREMEDITATED MURDERER - is PUT TO DEATH. The one who COMMITS MANSLAUGHTER - MUST FLEE - to the NEAREST CITY - OF REFUGE - and live there - till the KOHEN GADOL - DIES.

Victor, August 6, 2019 10:18 PM

Gershom

Gershom, I would say we would agree to disagree. And you didn’t change my mind. Even if 99% use it responsibly we need to ban it for that one percent. To bee 100% gun free, no guns for anyone. There is no place for guns and there is no good reason to have a gun as there is a reason to have a car for transportation or knife to cut bread, there is no reason why law obiding citizens need guns. We must work tirelessly toward that no matter how impossible and enormously difficult it seems at this point. But with time and steady regulation it can be achieved. Look I am not liberal or democrat but on this issue I would have to agree with their position

Gershom, August 7, 2019 6:27 AM

**Yes - I - and millions - and millions - ......

Victor - **Yes! - I - and millions - and millions - and MORE MILLIONS - EVEN BILLIONS - and BILLIONS - of other FULLY RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE. Who happen to own weapons - as did our TORAH FOREFATHERS. Who BELIEVE IN G-D - BELIEVE IN - HIS - AUTHORITY. AND HAVE FROM G-D - HIS TORAH COMMANDMENTS - LAWS - and MITZVOTH - His trust - and G-D GIVEN - INALIENABLE RIGHTS**. And - who don't harbor - what might be considered - insane - irrational - and paranoid fears. **Except for - very scary - liberal left leaning people - who doggedly - seek to destroy - our inalienable G-D given rights - like you propose** - over every little scary thing - that bothers them.

YES - I think - we will have to agree to disagree.

Anonymous, August 7, 2019 11:38 PM

Not all weapons the same

You can’t compare people who lived according to G-d’a words to prophets with everyone in a secular society. And the weapons of the past are not the same as semi-automatics available today. There’s no reason a civilian needs a gun designed to kill lots of people in seconds. On tthe other hand, sporting use of hunting and target shooting guns should remain available. We have to start somewhere

Gershom, August 8, 2019 5:59 AM

why can't we make the comparison - ......

Anonymous - why can't we make the comparison - with the religious - who TRY TO KEEP - G-D's Torah Commandments - Laws - and Mitzvoth - to a secular society? This is - ONE WORLD - that G-D created - has been virtually the same - since the first man - Adam. And the SECULAR - are part of it.

It was at Har Sinai - that G-D - gave us the Torah Commandments - Laws - and Mitzvoth - to ALL . And He didn't EXCLUDE - those - who've SINCE CHOSEN - to become SECULAR - and DISREGARD - and DISOBEY - the Commandments - that G-D - gave us.

And we can look back - and ask - WHY - did man need - spears and arrows - which on their own - can't kill man - or beast? And WHY - did man need - more than - ONE - arrow - in his quiver? The reasons - should be obvious - there were MULTIPLE BEASTS - etc., that could kill them - and they needed to eat - more than - one meal in their life. When it came to DEFENDING - themselves against man. There were usually - HORDES OF MEN. So - they needed - more than one spear - and one arrow with them.

More modern weapons - were developed - with multiple projectiles - that could be fired - to keep distance between oneself - and PROTECT OURSELVES - from the enemy - without exposing oneself - to becoming a casualty themselves.

Today - DO WE **NEED** THEM? As I said in another post to Victor: - "Until - ALL - the GREEDY - AVARICIOUS DICTATOR DESPOTS - the CRIMINALS - and the other DEMENTED PEOPLE of the WORLD - WHO WISH TO DOMINATE THE WORLD - CEASE TO BE. **YES - UNFORTUNATELY - we will NEED THEM**.

However - let's get the religious - as the secular liberals won't do it. LET's pray - and get G-D's help - TO GET THIS RESOLVED. So that - ALL MANKIND - can live in PEACE.

Gershom, August 6, 2019 6:26 PM

First - NO ONE - NO ONE - in AMERICA - ......

George - May I offer a correction - on some of what you've said?

First - NO ONE - NO ONE - in AMERICA - EXCEPT A SPECIALLY LICENSED DEALER - can BUY - OR SELL - MACHINE GUNS - OR FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPONS - PERIOD. THIS INCLUDES - the MILITARY VERSIONS - of the AR-15 - the AR-16 - and the AK-47 - and other FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPONS.

Unfortunately - the LEFT WING NEWS MEDIA - lumps the LOOK ALIKE - SEMI-AUTOMATIC weapons - as MACHINE GUNS - OR AUTOMATIC WEAPONS. WHICH IS - A FALSE DEPICTION - MEANT TO INTIMIDATE - AND THROW FEAR - into the PUBLIC.

Second - the BLACK MARKET IN THESE WEAPONS - THRIVES from ARMS DEALERS like IRAN - RUSSIA - KOREA - ETC.. They have little or no trouble - in SMUGGLING these weapons - TO THE CRIMINAL ELEMENTS - ALMOST ANYWHERE - in the WORLD.

The SEMI AUTOMATIC VERSIONS - of the AR-15 - the AR-16 - and the AK-47 - although - because of their STYLE - are not well suited for hunting. But - could be used in hunting.

Your reference to auto accidents - is right on target - as well.

So NOW - let's INCLUDE - AND TALK ABOUT - the OVER 60,000 - AMERICAN LIVES - EACH YEAR - PLUS OTHER COUNTRIES - WHOSE LIVES ARE LOST - TO DRUG ADDICTIONS. **WHERE ARE THE LIBERAL GUN ACTIVISTS - AND FEAR MONGERS - WHO SHOULD BE BRINGING MILLION MAN MARCHES - TO FIND WAYS TO END THIS HORRIFIC LOSS OF LIFE - AND BRING TO JUSTICE - THOSE WHO CAUSE IT**?

(5) Victor, August 6, 2019 2:37 PM

Ban Guns

The answer to this question is obvious yet people fail to act in a morally responsible way. All guns and firearms other then law enforcement must be banned, confiscated from general public and not to be sold anywhere anymore. Just take a moment to read the poem by Emily Dickinson: Surgeons must be very careful When they take the knife! Underneath their fine incisions Stirs the Culprit—Life! Having read this poem how can one think that allowing guns are ok? It is absurd in my opinion? Who these guns are designed to kill? What, are we at war? I am not suggesting this be done overnight or in one year or two but gradually over a decade, slowly removing guns from everyone criminals and homeowners who have guns who protect themselves from criminals with guns, so the process of a ban and removal must be gradual. If criminals don’t have guns so shouldn’t homeowners. You ask what about hunting and sport. And those can be heavily regulated and have strict background checks and may need to be rented for hunting season. It’s no brainer issue that is clear what needs to be done and yet politicians refuse to take drastic measures to appease to their voter base.

Gershom, August 6, 2019 3:56 PM

LEST WE FORGET - ......

VICTOR - LEST WE FORGET -** "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."** ~ George Santayana, Ph.D. Harvard University; Cambridge, MA, USA - P.S.: Sourced from the walls of Auschwitz). THIS - IS A STARK REMINDER - of WHAT CAN HAPPEN - to AN UNARMED PEOPLE - AS IT DID - IN WWII - to THE 6 MILLION TARGETED JEWS - WHO WERE SLAUGHTERED.
And - as Golda Meir said: "One cannot - and must not - try to ignore - and erase (DELETE) the past - merely because - it does not fit the present. Golda Meir".

As has been pointed out - there are MILLIONS - AND MILLIONS OF AMERICANS - who COLLECTIVELY own - MILLIONS - AND MILLIONS - of GUNS. HOWEVER - less that about 50 of them - which - is LESS THAN .1% - of those AMERICANS - who own guns - HAVE COMMIT THESE HORRENDOUS CRIMES. So - SHOULD MILLIONS of LAW ABIDING AMERICANS - BE PENALIZED - and HAVE THEIR RIGHTS TAKEN AWAY - BECAUSE - there are a FEW (less than .1%) - WHO COMMIT - CRIMINAL ACTS?

And BTW - Do you really believe that - CRIMINALS OF ALL TYPES - or the NEO NAZI - or WHITE NATIONALISTS/SUPREMECISTS - WILL ACTUALLY - VOLUNTARILY - GIVE UP THEIR GUNS? This has been tried - for EONs. And without a MIRACLE FROM G-D - to make it happen. DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH TOO LONG - while waiting for them - or their foreign suppliers - to turn in their weapons.

It has also been pointed out that - THE ENEMY - WANTS TO SEE - YOUR DREAM COME TRUE. So that - THEY CAN MORE EASILY CONQUER AMERICA - and ELSEWHERE ELSE THEY CHOOSE. Where they DON'T have to FEAR - A WELL ARMED POPULACE. WHILE THEY FIGHT - HOUSE TO HOUSE - BLOCK BY BLOCK - CITY BY CITY.

A more realistic and rational approach - is to ENFORCE THE LAWS - ON THE BOOKS. And SEEK WAYS - to HELP YOUR FELLOW MAN - RETURN TO KEEPING G-D's TORAH COMMANDMENTS - LAWS - and MITZVOTH. SO THAT - G-D - will be MORE INCLINED - TO HELP US - AND ELIMINATE ALL THIS HATRED.

Victor, August 6, 2019 4:46 PM

Gershom

Answer to guns is not more guns, government is responsible to control and make it illegal for everyone slowly over a decade to remove all firearms from everyone, this is what government must focus on. It’s like government enforces seat belts but allows guns. Also people talk about mental issues, racism and stuff while gun control and mental illness and racism are completely different issues not to be combined and mixed. The focus must be on gun ban right now and deal with mental illness and racism separately

Gershom, August 6, 2019 6:05 PM

FEAR MONGERING - ALARM CALLS - ......

Victor - No one - is advocating MORE GUNS.

And I strongly disagree - and state that - **NO - THE GOVERNMENT - HAS NO RIGHT - TO COLLECTIVELY PUNISH - and CRUSH THE RIGHTS - of MILLIONS OF PEOPLE - WHO OWN GUNS LEGALLY - AND KEEP AND USE THEM - RESPONSIBLY. JUST BECAUSE - A FEW OF THE PEOPLE - CAUSE IRRATIONAL FEAR MONGERING - ALARM CALLS**. And ESPECIALLY BECAUSE - THERE ARE LESS THAN .1% of the TOTAL POPULATION - WHO COMMIT THESE CRIMES. NOT - THE MILLIONS OF LAW ABIDING - RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER CITIZENS.

Banning guns - has not PREVENTED NEEDLESS KILLINGS - in ANY WESTERN ORIENTED COUNTRY - that HAVE - STRICT GUN LAWS. Even recently in the Nordic Countries - there have been those - who OBTAINED WEAPONS - AND PERFORMED - MASS KILLINGS - either by guns - or BOMBS - which are also ILLEGAL to make - OR USE AGAINST a POPULATION .
OF course - we don't hear to much - about other countries - because of CONTROLLED MEDIA CENSORSHIP.
However - again - GOVERNMENT BANNING GUNS - CONTRIBUTED IMMENSELY - TO THE EXTERMINATION - OF 6 MILLION TARGETED JEWS - IN WWII.
I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT - YOUR NOT ADVOCATING FOR - A CHANCE FOR THAT DISASTER TO BE REPEATED.
I've - already discussed on here - many times - how other renegade countries - would like this to happen to America - AND WHY.

Something else to consider is- your desire - for such EXTREME GOVERNMENT CONTROL. This would also ALLOW FOR - as AN EXAMPLE - if one of your neighbors - commits a crime - or let's say - becomes contaminated - with a DISEASE. Then - the GOVERNMENT - PUTS YOU - AND ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS - IN CURFEW - or ON QUARANTINE. I can almost bet - that all your neighbors - and yourself - will be RAISING ALL KINDS OF HOSTILITY - TOWARD THE GOVERNMENT - FOR DENYING YOUR RIGHTS.
BECAUSE - NONE OF YOU - did the CRIME. Nor - are any of YOU - CONTAMINATED.

The other issues of mental - racism - by themselves - OFTEN - ARE an INTEGRAL PART - of the OVERALL ISSUE.

Victor, August 6, 2019 7:52 PM

Gershom

So government absolutely must protect ppl and have that control even over ppl who obey laws. Even if there less then 1% chance of misuse. Even one life is too much for this gun nonsense? Who needs it? And for what? To feel secure? The only way to feel secure is for no one to have a gun. Again I am not saying it should be done overnight or in one year but gradually to go away from gun culture from generation to generation we must remove slowly all guns and not sell it anymore. Only law enforcement should have it. The sooner we start this difficult task the better off we’ll be. We should start with not selling it and slowly do buy backs or confiscations if needed, and outlawing it. Government absolutely has the the right and obligation to do so. All criminals and illegal owners must be apprehended and lawful owners won’t eventually need it either. Also you can’t compare governments control in disease cases with gun control those are two separate issues. Guns are designed to kill ppl, government obligation is to protect ppl, can’t compare the two things.

Gershom, August 7, 2019 7:00 PM

Yes - we already disagree - ......

Victor - we know that - YES - we already disagree - on most of your points.
So I'm focusing - on a point you've missed. You wrote - "Also you can’t compare governments control in disease cases with gun control those are two separate issues. Guns are designed to kill ppl, government obligation is to protect ppl, can’t compare the two things.".
What you missed is - that my previous point about illness - or crime on this point - was to show - HOW ALLOWING - UNLIMITED GOVERNMENT CONTROL - TO ABOLISH THE PUBLICS RIGHTS - AT the GOVERNMENTS WILL - AND WITH - UNFETTERED DISCRETION - as it appears that your advocating. IT WILL ENABLE - ANY LEFT WING - POLITICIAN DESPOT - or DICTATOR - with a POSSIBLE PARANOID FEAR. AS I pointed out - to CAUSE A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD - SECTION OF TOWN - OR - EVEN THE WHOLE TOWN - of THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE - TO BE UNDER CURFEW - MARTIAL LAW - or - QUARANTINED - ETC.. **JUST BECAUSE - A PERSON - became ILL - or COMMITTED a CRIME - that CAUSED THE POLITICIAN ANXIETY - PARANOIA - ETC*..**.
I'm equating this - with the STATISTICAL FACTS THAT - there are MILLIONS - and MILLIONS (about 150 Million PLUS) of LAW ABIDING - RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS - WHO - OWN - MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of GUNS of all kinds. YET - only about 50 PEOPLE - LESS THAN .1% - of these MILLIONS OF PEOPLE - have committed MASS MURDER. BUT - by the wishes OF THE FEW. THEY WANT TO IMPOSE MASS PUNISHMENT - onto the OTHER 99% - BY - REVOKING - THEIR INAILIABLE RIGHTS. Where - IS THE JUSTICE - IN THAT?
I also pointed out that - on the TOPIC OF WHAT CARS - WERE DESIGNED TO DO - ETC.. Even though the vehicle - LIKE THE GUN - is an INANIMATE OBJECT - CONTROLLED By - MAN. I POINTED OUT THAT - there have been over **50** - recent CAR/TRUCK/BUS BOMBINGS - and PEOPLE KILLINGS - that COMBINED - have taken - FAR MORE LIVES - than the Mass Murderers have.
As well as - the 60,000 deaths by DRUGS -JUST THIS YEAR.
So - WHY - are we FOCUSING - ONLY ON - TAKING AWAY - GUNS?

Anonymous, August 8, 2019 1:53 PM

Agree hundred percent with you

Yes, to eradicate all arms from society, other then law enforcement! We can change Second amendment in a glimpse if it is the will of the people! The amendment doesn't come from heaven! We can undo it and be able to sleep peacefully at night! All urgent changes seem impossible to change! Ban of guns, lhealth care for all, free university tuition, all these rights other nations have as legitimate! Why is that in the states, these changes become sacrosanct? Why is it possible for other countries and not for us?
We need to vote for a candidate who advocate for these changes! No more killing innocent people! No to racism!

Gershom, August 8, 2019 5:55 PM

Until - the Messiah comes - ......

Anonymous - **Until - the Messiah comes - and brings TOTAL PEACE - to ALL MANKIND** - to DISARM the people - from PROTECTING THEMSELVES - is TOTAL FOLLY!! History - has shown - TIME AND TIME AGAIN - THIS KIND OF FOLLY! And it EXISTS - in countries - yet today. And - LEST WE FORGET - what we saw from WW-II - and all those 6 Million DEFENSELESS JEWS - TARGETED - for EXTINCTION. As well as the other millions - of COLLATERAL VICTIMS.

Maybe - the 2nd Amendment - the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS - as the American forefathers envisioned - was GUIDANCE - from G-D. As G-D - knows - the end before the beginning.

If you live in an area - or building - where violence - could never possibly occur. One might be able to sleep peacefully. **But for those living in areas - like Chicago - and other places - where violence - can occur - anytime. Getting Peaceful Sleep - NOT SO MUCH**!

As for other countries - who seem to be peaceful. Expand your news sources - you review - and you will see they have - problems as well. Look at France - where there are **NO GO ZONES - IN ARAB AREAS** - for the French Police - or ANYONE - NOT A MUSLIM - UNLESS ESCORTED - for political purposes. However - the POLITICIANS - FORCEFULLY - DENY - and FIND EXCUSES FOR - the crimes. We see it often - where a terrorist incident - is rated as - just an ISOLATED INCIDENT - caused by - an individual with a problem.

We need to vote for politicians - Like - President Trump - who are not beholding - to - their financial backers - who use the politician - to advance their agendas - and make fortunes.

Anonymous, August 8, 2019 8:26 PM

Why would You think it is a wishfull thinking?

Believe you are part of the group of people who believe the statu quo is sacrosanct and can't be change! How wrong! In this case, let's accept the continues terror attacks and do nothing!

Gershom, August 8, 2019 9:35 PM

When it comes to ......

Anonymous - When it comes to Keeping G-D's Torah Commandments - Laws - and Mitzvoth. YES - we must KEEP THE STATUS QUO - PERIOD.

When it comes to other issues - not necessarily so I expect - the status quo. Neither do I see - as the old saying goes - that cutting off your nose - to site your face - is such a good idea.

What I do advocate is - let's not commit FOLLY - by not protecting ourselves - in the meantime - while we seek to get G-D - to bring - ALL - mankind - to Keep - His Torah Commandments - Laws - and Mitzvoth. So that - we can - ALL - live in PEACE!

(4) Raymond, August 6, 2019 2:12 PM

Sickness in Our Souls

I fundamentally disagree with the way that this question is being asked, with all of its implications. It suggests that the solution to this terrible problem of mass shootings, can and should come from our government. And yet, if anything, asking the government to solve our moral problems is, in a way, the cause of the problem. We need to stop looking to the government to act as substitute parents in our lives. We need to stop depending on our political leaders to be our moral leaders.

The problem of mass shootings has nothing to do with the government. It is, rather, a moral, spiritual problem. It is the tip of the iceberg of the sickness that resides in our collective souls. Perhaps most frightening of all, those crimes are really a natural, almost predictable consequence of having a secular society. The more our society moves away from Biblical ethics, the more such behavior we will encounter. We can hardly be surprised that a society such as ours that not only permits, but even seeks to justify, the killing of tens of millions of helpless, unborn babies, is the same society where these shootings are taking place. It is the same disregard for the inherent value of human life which our secular society has encouraged.

Have any of you noticed how many cameras there are in the public sphere? Extra security at our airports and elsewhere? Well, why is that? Why is there such a need for it? It should be obvious that it is the G-dlessness of our increasingly secular society that has brought on such a need for such things.

Regardless of which society we are talking about, it all comes down to two choices: either we embrace Torah values, or expect there to eventually be a completely totalitarian society, such as exists in places like North Korea, for without the fear of G-d, there really is no other way to control the evil that resides within every one of us.

Anonymous, August 7, 2019 11:42 PM

The reason for airport security

Terrorists, not secular society

Anonymous, August 9, 2019 1:06 AM

Raymond is correct

Since the 50s-60s the U.S.A. Has been in a moral free fall . Taking G-D out of the schools was a bad decision . The advent of the birth control "pill"- another major blunder. Then legal abortionn in 1973, making Human life "cheap". G-D wrote His laws & commandments on, " The Tablet of our Hearts ". People who truly let G-D into their life's are much more at peace, and care about others more than this secular society does. I totally agree with Raymond's comments. He hit the nail right on the head! G-D is waiting with open arms to take ANY BODY into his Kingdom that wants to come into it! Amen!!

(3) MESA, August 6, 2019 1:43 PM

1) Eretz Yisrael has very strict laws about gun ownership. There are age limits, background checks, training, and more. You have to jump through a lot of proverbial hoops just to get a permit to own a gun. To me, that's common sense. When a gun is used properly, it hurts or kills someone (even if it's necessary). When a gun is used improperly, it hurts, kills, or causes damage. Therefore, it should be tightly regulated. There are those who say that we need to simply enforce the laws already in place, but I'm not hearing anything about what those laws actually are. Do those laws require background checks and a waiting period? Do they demand a specific reason for wanting a gun? In EY, you have to state your reasons.
2) We need to take hate and prejudice seriously. We need to teach about it in schools and elsewhere and enforce policies against bullying. And we have to take a stand whenever we see hatred.
3) Mental illness does not lead to violence and we need to stop using that as a smoke screen.

Gershom, August 6, 2019 2:53 PM

RE: Your first point. ......

Mesa - RE: Your first point. Yes - in Israel - there is a FEAR MONGERING SECULAR LIBERAL MENTALITY - NOT - TO ALLOW THE PEOPLE TO HAVE GUNS - and REGULATIONS - to go with it.
WHICH - BTW - COULD COME BACK TO HAUNT US - WHEN OUR ARAB HATING JEWS - come STREAMING in HUGE NUMBERS - ACROSS OUR BORDERS. ALTHOUGH - recently - because of Terror incidents - this STRICT policy - is being reviewed. Also because of what happened to 6 MILLION UNARMED JEWS - IN WWII. It is WELL KNOWN - in MILITARY CIRCLES - and OTHER CIRCLES - that - one of the things an enemy fears - IS AN ARMED POPULATION. WHO's WILLING TO FIGHT BACK.
Why - do you think - America - a bastion of gun ownership - has not been attacked openly - YET - BY OTHER COUNTRIES - LIKE CHINA - RUSSIA - ETC., - WHO SEEK IT's DESTRUCTION?

A gun - on the hip - pocket - or? - LIKE A KNIFE - HATCHET - WERE DESIGNED TO PROTECT - and OR KILL - at an APPROPRIATE TIME. A CAR - OR ANY WEAPON - ETC., - WILL NOT KILL ANYONE - OR ANYTHING ELSE - ON IT'S OWN - WHEN BEING USED LEGITIMATELY. So - REMEMBER - IT'S ONLY WHEN THAT WEAPON IS USED TO DEFEND AND PROTECT - OR YES - USED TO KILL IN WAR - OR ANGER - THAT THE WEAPON - is used by a human - and becomes - an instrument - of death.

**All YOU have to do - is DO YOUR HOMEWORK - and YOU'll FIND - HOW MANY GUN/WEAPON REGULATIONS - that are IN PLACE. DON'T EXPECT - the LIBERALS and THE LIBERAL MEDIA - TO POINT THEM OUT TO YOU**. BTW - the background checks - ETC. ARE - IN PLACE. I've been LICENSED TO CARRY - and OWN WEAPONS - so I know.

Point #-2 - YOUR RIGHT ON TARGET.

Point #-3. DO THE RESEARCH. After MANY YEARS OF COUNSELING - I can tell you - MENTAL ILLNESS to KILL - IS NOT - a SMOKESCREEN. IT's REAL!!
IS IT - THE - or A PRIME CAUSE? Not necessarily. However - THERE ARE FAR TOO MANY FACTORS - LIKE WHAT TYPE of MENTAL ILLNESS - AND OR - THE CAUSES - that NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT - IN EACH CASE - FIRST.

MESA, August 7, 2019 2:17 PM

Gershom, please make your point

There was a college professor who used to speak the same way that you write here. When she was giving lectures, she used a lot of dramatic pauses and flourishes. At the lecture podium, that style worked. But she knew that that style doesn't work everywhere. I remember having a very nice conversation with her at a Shabbat table where she simply made her points with no flourishes or pauses and no one was wondering what she was trying to say.
You once said that you write the way you speak. Well, I would suggest that you adjust your style for this forum. All your dashes and capitals and other flourishes are only confusing me and I'm so busy trying to read around them that I can't make out what your points actually are. Instead, please just state your points in simple sentences. Keep them short, sweet, and to the point. I and everyone else will understand you much better if you do that.

Gershom, August 7, 2019 8:59 PM

I know that - OLD SCHOOL - ......

Mesa - I know that - OLD SCHOOL - grammar purists - don't like the way I write. But - as Popeye said - I AM - WHAT I AM.
I guess - what you'll have to do - is - ignore reading my postings. Or - learn how to accept - how others - present themselves. Sort of like - those - who find certain poets writings - wonderful. And others - horrible.

Because - AFTER MANY YEARS - OF TRYING TO PLEASE OTHERS - who were trying to dictate - how I should function - and KEEP MY OLIVE BROWN - SKINNED PLACE - and getting NOWHERE. I learned to do - what good comedians - learned to do. I turned that around - became myself - and had - many - many - SUCCESSFUL YEARS - of SPEAKING - and WRITING - in my different professions - and in other associations. By SPEAKING - the way - I - DO SPEAK - IN PERSON. And - I was considered - very EFFECTIVE.

So now - I do - what is right for me. Because that's what brought me - the rewards - promotions - etc.. It may be that - it worked for me - because - it fit my in -person - personality presence. The same thing - may not work - for others.

MESA, August 8, 2019 3:13 PM

Mashal- you're speaking in French when I only know English. Your point is not getting across. If you want me to understand what you're saying, you have to use plain English.
Nimshal- you're presenting with a lot of dashes, capitals, and flourishes that I just don't understand. If you want me to understand your point, you need to use simple sentences with only necessary punctuation and good grammar.

Gershom, August 8, 2019 7:23 PM

Maybe - for those - who have a problem with -......

Mesa -The statement that - I'm not writing in English is incorrect.

Maybe - for those - who have a problem with - understanding my ENGLISH WRITING - need to find a way TO DIVERSIFY - their CULTURAL EXPOSURE. So that - they can see that - everything - was not made - IN ONE ENGLISH GRAMMAR MOLD. Then - they may not be so intolerant - and uncomfortable - with diverse ways that - people express themselves.

I remember those - who were English Grammar Purists - who were INTOLERANT of - and HATED certain POETS - and CERTAIN KINDS OF PROSE or POETRY. WHY? Just because - it didn't fit - in their imagination - of the CORRECT WAY - to write PROSE - or POETRY.

Also - I used to teach OLIM - who didn't speak English - or very little English. I decided - not to be - SO RIGID - and INTOLERANT - demanding that - they SPEAK - ONLY ENGLISH. As some have done to me - in other languages.
Then - I took the time and PATIENCE - and TOLERANTLY LEARNED - HOW TO UNDERSTAND - what they were trying to EXPRESS.
It was AMAZING - THE PROGRESS we made TOGETHER - and HOW MUCH - THEY APPRECIATED - how I appreciated - their culture - and situation.

Give it a try - it can't hurt. IF not - as I suggested before - by-pass - my postings - and or responses.

(2) Nancy, August 6, 2019 10:41 AM

To Gershom

Yes, the criminals certainly ARE able to get these weapons in unlimited numbers. That's why common sense measures need to be taken. The problem is we do not have federal laws in place, so any criminal can cross a state line to get the weapon of his choice. I am not naive and I am not saying that a federal law will stop murders altogether but it would be a very good place to go from here. Hand wringing does nothing.

Gershom, August 6, 2019 12:24 PM

It has been studied - and studied - by really great LEGAL EXPERTS - ......

Nancy - It has been studied - and studied - by really great LEGAL EXPERTS - and as I recall - even Allan Dershowitz - says - there are already - ENOUGH Federal - State - and Local Laws - that are already - on the books - that SHOULD CONTROL THE WRONGFUL ACCESS - TO WEAPONS - by those that SHOULDN'T have - NORMAL ACCESS ROUTES TO WEAPONS. However - as we've already mentioned - THE BUSINESS OF ILLEGAL FOREIGN ARMS DEALING - goes on almost OPENLY - in the CLANDESTINE WORLD. NOT - IN THE LEGAL RETAIL BUSINESS SHOP DEALERS - who sell weapons.

And - as I stated before - a major part of the problem - our leaders are dealing with - is the dealing with - the ORGANIZATIONS OF LIBERALS - WHO VICIOUSLY - PROTECT THE RIGHTS - OF EVERYONE - INCLUDING - the UNSTABLE - JUST IN CASE - the UNSTABLE - might get UPSET - that - THEIR RIGHTS - to be UNSTABLE - are EXPOSED - and OR TRAMPLED ON. And CLAIM THAT - IT's for the GOOD OF EVERYONE ELSE.
And - IF - you think about it - HOW MANY TIMES - HAVE YOU SEEN ARTICLES - NEWS REPORTS - ETC., - of POLICE - and even RIGHTEOUS POLITICIANS and LEADERS - who - COMPLAIN - that - THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED - BY LIBERAL ORGANIZATIONS - and - IN THE LIBERAL MEDIA - and are AFRAID - TO HAVE AN UPRISING - in their midst - for which - they will be LIBERALLY PUNISHED FOR - IF THEY TRY TO SUPPORT THE LAW - DO THEIR JOB - and ENFORCE THE LAW.

Some how - and PLEASE - WITH G-D's HELP. WE can - and NEED TO PRAY THAT - there will be a SPIRITUAL RESTORATION - OF PROGRAMS FOR MORAL VALUES - and TEACHINGS - THROUGHOUT SOCIETY - that will change the HEARTS - MINDS - and SOULS - OF OUR LEADERS - and ALL THE PEOPLE - WHO ARE NOW BECOMING - PREDISPOSED - TO ACCEPTING - and COMMITTING VIOLENCE - as an ANSWER - TO THEIR PROBLEMS. And - WE - CAN PRESSURE - THESE VIOLENT VIDEO MAKERS INTO ADMITTING THAT - THERE ARE VALID STUDIES - that do show - THAT THESE VIOLENT VIDEOS - REDUCE THE MORAL IMPULSE TO KILL.

Nancy, August 6, 2019 1:15 PM

Re: Violent videos

Gershom--Awhile back I attended an all day conference on gun violence. Someone asked about violent videos and the presenter said these videos did not have the effect that people were led to believe. There was a time when the TV networks featured A LOT more violence than they do today and we did not have the gun violence that we do now. Westerns were a TV staple. Last night my husband was recalling his childhood of playing "shoot em up," with his pals, but they certainly did NOT use guns. Re: Reducing the moral impulse to kill. That goes straight to the heart of providing appropriate mental health services for those in need. Also, the sad truth is that there is a certain segment of the population who must be confined for the safety of society at large. And yes, my views are liberal but I have a mental health background and am very much a realist.

Gershom, August 6, 2019 3:23 PM

WHO SPONSORED THE CONFERENCE - ......

Nancy - I'd like to know the background - of those - WHO SPONSORED THE CONFERENCE - and that make these claims. OTHERS - have EXPOSED AS - BEING FINANCIALLY SPONSORED - at least in part - by SECULAR - LIBERAL ACTIVISTS - AND THOSE WHO COULD POTENTIALLY LOSE - HUGE FORTUNES - if the VIDEOS are regulated - OR BANNED.

As has been stated before - there are NUMEROUS - PSYCHOLOGICAL STUDIES - that have SHOWN - A VERY STRONG CORRELATION - between VIOLENT VIDEOS - and SUBSEQUENT - LOSS OF - if you will - MORALLY OBJECTIVE CHOICES - AND AN INCREASE IN - DESENSITIVITY - toward KILLING - by a VERY LARGE NUMBER of PLAYERS. These - APPEAR TO BE - just some of - the LONG TERM UNKNOWN - EFFECTS.

So - It seems to depend on - WHICH VIEW IS CORRECT - is it whether the person who says VIDEOS - ARE HARMLESS - and is LIBERALLY INCLINED - toward - NO REGULATIONS - ON an INDIVIDUALS MORAL CHOICE? OR - is it those - who ESPOUSE A MORE MORAL RELIGIOUS BELIEF - and feel that - they can see the dangers - of MORAL DECLINE - that are escalating - more and more? ESPECIALLY - after RECOGNIZING - A MAJOR CHANGE - in their CHILDREN'S MORAL ATTITUDES - AND BEHAVIORS - they've had to deal with.

After years of counseling - I follow those - who espouse a more moral religious belief.

Nancy, August 6, 2019 9:39 PM

Re: The conference I attended

Gershom--
The conference I spoke of was sponsored by the social work school where I got my masters degree. It was also 100% free of charge to the attendees and nobody made a nickel from it. Again, look at the TV shows that used to be on the networks a long time ago. Gunsmoke was on the air for well over a decade and we did not have the violence then that we have now.

Gershom, August 8, 2019 7:05 AM

Many of the Social Work Schools - ......

Nancy - Many of the Social Work Schools - I've learned in - and about - many more moral and religious organizations - have spoken out that - they are silently being funded by very LIBERAL SOURCES. And - often these funding sources - are foreign countries - with a hidden socialist agenda. These sources - often expect that - the philosophy they hold - should be espoused - and should be taught in a curriculum - they approve of. And they often provide the funding - for special events - free - so that - they can attract - a broader range of people - who will attend.

When citing old TV shows - etc.. Most of the research sources - didn't - and have not been looking at - SOCIETIES MORAL VALUES - of that time. Which was MUCH BETTER - than it is now. Since the huge descent - into MUCH LOWER STANDARDS - which are in effect now. Nor - did they evaluate how different - the HIGHER MORAL CONTENT of the shows - was being presented.

BTW - It has been also reported - that ONCE - the entertainment industry - started getting away with - things like CRUDE swearing - and open nudity - along with MUCH MORE CLEAR VIOLENCE. There was a fairly RAPID DECLINE - in the MORAL CONTENT - of the shows - across the industry - as well as - in the overall MORAL DECLINE - amongst the societies. It's become - THE NEW NORM.

IF we look at - the difference between old TV shows - and videos - then and now - from a different perspective - USING TORAH MORAL STANDARDS - then and now. I think we can more CLEARLY SEE - how the videos of today - some of which - have very negative subliminal messaging. WE can see the steep decline - in TORAH MORAL SENSITIVITY - in the overall society.

Nancy, August 16, 2019 11:37 AM

To Gershom

Two issues. The "good old days" weren't always so good. When westerns dominated the airwaves, the gun violence was rampant and yet we didn't have the mass shootings we have today. Also, when springtime rolled around the shows went into reruns and most kids got bored and went outside to play. You also mention the decline in videos/TV shows of today. However, nobody really NEEDS to own a TV set. As parents we can and should say no to our children if we find material to be objectionable. Re: Social Work schools and their funding. My school is largely funded by local corporations. I also get requests in the mail to make a donation. I'm not sure I would classify a corporate CEO as being liberal. It is more like said CEO wants a tax break. However, social work as a profession historically has a liberal/progressive bent, so I agree with you somewhat. I do not agree about social work schools pushing a socialist agenda. In this day and age they are a business and they need to fill seats or they will go under.

Gershom, August 16, 2019 12:40 PM

Defending Liberal Schools

Nancy - from the earliest days of Movies - and TV and Radio. YES - there were guns used - especially in the Saturday Matinee Westerns - like Roy Rodgers - Hopalong Cassidy - etc.. HOWEVER - in the Westerns - the TV - and Radio - the the MORAL THEME - was always clear - the MORAL MESSAGE OF - THE GOOD GUYS - AGAINST THE BAD GUYS. And for all those years - as you said - NO MASS KILLINGS. All the young people - wanted to be like the HEROS. There is NO EVIDENCE - that all those people - started a MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE - who COMMITTED MASS KILLINGS - PERIOD.

So - Where did it start? WHO - are fostering this MORAL DECLINE?

SO MANY - religious leaders - and institutions - etc., - started crying out that - at the CO-JOINED TIME - of EXTREME MORAL DECAY - in the entertainment industry - and THE HUGE MORAL DECLINE - often through SUBTLE TEACHINGS CURRICULUMS - of LOWER MORAL NEEDS/STANDARDS - in THE EDUCATION SYSTEM - from KINDERGARTEN - THROUGH COLLEGE - in the FORCING G-D - out of ALMOST EVERY ASPECT OF SOCIETY. To even now - CALLING IT A HATE CRIME - when religious people - speak out about - HEDONISTIC PRACTICES - G-D - called and ABOMINATION. Or - like - refusing to baking a cake for certain groups - based on the bakers RELIGIOUS BELIEF.

**Yes - WE - as parents - should be active - in monitoring - what our children - are being taught. WHICH SHOULD BE - BY the LAWS - of G-D's TORAH COMMANDMENTS** - etc.. Which is - often time consuming - and difficult to do. You KNOW - as well as I KNOW - that - EVEN THEN - the parents - are being PUT DOWN - and BELITTLED - for their stance - as - OVER ZEALOUS - HELICOPTER PARENTING ETC., - ETC..

How can you miss - Corporate CEO's like George Soros - Zuckerman - and others - who are NOTORIOUSLY LIBERALS - and are KNOWN TO BE - PUSHING THE LIBERAL MORALESS AGENDA.
Defending the liberal social schools - because they might go out of business - before G-D - IS DEFENSELESS - if it destroys any SOUL.

Gershom, August 16, 2019 1:09 PM

NEITHER FIVE - NOR THREE

Nancy - it may be worth your while - to get ahold of a book - I read - eons ago - called: NEITHER FIVE - NOR THREE - by Helen McKINNIS (maybe McGinnis).
It can maybe still be found - by request - through the library system.

**Though it was supposed to be a fiction piece. In it - it's as though - she was a PROPHETESS **- as she described - how - the Communists - and Liberals - were ACTIVELY INFILTRATING - the educational system - from Kindergarten - through College/University - and PROMOTING - their EXTREMELY LIBERAL - SOCIALIST - MORALESS AGENDA.

They were also - VERY ACTIVELY - entering LOCAL - STATE - and NATIONAL Government - with the sole purpose - of changing the whole landscape of societies MORAL VALUES.

I think - if you read it - you will find it to be - a REAL EYE OPENER. And - maybe - even put a scare into you - as to how accurate - her book - as become.

(1) Anonymous, August 6, 2019 8:48 AM

4 Things

The shootings in El Paso and Dayton are heartbreaking. A national tragedy. Trump in his speech today denounced white supremacy, racism and bigotry. That was a first step that needs to be repeated, day in and day out, in word and action, with careful and mindful attention to avoiding inciting words and tweets.

I 100% support the words of Past Presidents Clinton and Obama, both of whom I voted for:

Clinton called for a re-instatement on the assault weapons ban and Obama called for people to reject any words of fear or hatred from our leaders.

Lastly, at all costs the mentally ill should not be scapegoated. The Psychological Association had a statement today that to blame every shooting on mental illness is incorrect and it stigmatizes.

Denounce hate, ban assault rifles, call out and reject words from our leaders on hatred, and do not support scapegoating of the mentally ill.

Gershom, August 6, 2019 9:19 AM

However - DON'T be MISLEAD - ......

Anonymous - lots of good ideas.

However - DON'T be MISLEAD - by the LIBERALS AND LEFT WIND BLOWING MEDIA - with a HIDDEN AGENDA - WHO EXTREMELY DRAMATIZE - these HORRIFIC INCIDENTS!!. ACTUAL ASSAULT WEAPONS - are in the hands of only TWO FACTIONS. THE MILITARY MEMBERS - and CRIMINALS - who seem to be able to get them - in UNLIMITED NUMBERS - from FOREIGN ARMS DEALERS - IRAN - RUSSIA - CHINA - HEZBOLLAH - and others.

And TAKE A - REAL LOOK - AT THE ACTUAL STATISTICS. Even though - the LEFT WIND MEDIA - WITH A HIDDEN AGENDA - is PUSHING GUN BANS.
THE REAL STATISTICS - ACTUALLY SHOW THAT - the PERCENTAGE OF SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPON OWNERSHIP - ALONG WITH - ALL KINDS of OTHER WEAPONS - IS HUMONGOUS .
HOWEVER - THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO USE THEM ILLEGALLY - and IN INCIDENTS LIKE - El PASO - DAYTON - ETC., - IS LESS THAN - 1% of the TOTAL LEGAL OWNERSHIP.

WE - need to find a better way - TO MORALLY FIGHT - THIS ABERRANT BEHAVIOR. BY getting the GOVERNMENT LEADERS - and our RELIGIOUS LEADERS - TO REEXAMINE their MORAL CONSCIENCE - STOP - the TOTAL MORAL DECLINE that's PERMEATING SOCIETIES - WORLD WIDE.

 

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