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Do you think Jews should refrain from visiting the camps in Poland?

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(25) Anonymous, May 18, 2019 12:43 AM

No. Some Jews require Jewish education. Never forget.

No. The rate of assimilation is sky-rocketing, and many Jews require a strong dose of Jewish education. Never forget.

(24) Lisa, May 17, 2019 9:34 AM

No.... It’s part of NEVER FORGET!!

That’s like saying don’t go to visit your dead relatives wherever they are buried. We go. ( very disappointed that Aish even brought this topic up!) In fact if anyone knows of a program I’m very interested!!

(23) Jacenty Domański, May 17, 2019 6:00 AM

Will be the best to do so !!!

Because there Poland country were also great destructed, and so many innocent citizens lost their life. Moreover according to Versal Tractate, is impossible to restore German Economy just with 6 years, after Hitler came to power, and become the most powerful economy, and military in the whole world's with out help of Jewish Bankers. Germany do not have their own natural resirches.

(22) David Bromberg, May 16, 2019 1:37 PM

It is not for me, but it is not bad.

I would not go there, but it could be important so that no one can deny what happened. Those who forget history repeat it.

(21) Anonymous, May 16, 2019 11:29 AM

No money for poland

My grandmother said the polish were worse than the germans. I,d rather spend the money on scholarships for polish Jews ie israelite and immerse them into Jewish internet so that they can stand up to the polish

(20) Elizabeth, May 16, 2019 8:54 AM

SHOULD JEWS REFRAIN FROM VISITING CAMPS IN POLLAND

NO THEY SHOULD FOLLOW THEIR HEART AND IF THAT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM THEY SHOULD GO - THE EXCEPTION TO THIS IS IF THEY ARE ONLY GOING BECAUSE OF THE INFLUENCE OF OTHERS THEN TGEY SHOULD NOT GO

(19) Lisa USA, May 15, 2019 5:53 PM

For Gershom and completely off topic!

Hello Gershom,

I always enjoy reading your meaty and informative posts on the various topics brought up in this forum. I have noticed a pattern in you responses that I have a question about. In multiple posts you have used the term "Jewish Nation People and Converts".

As a person going through a proper Orthodox conversion with a Rabbi, I am curious as to why you single out the "Converts" in that phrase. I am under the impression that once a person completes the proper conversion process, they are considered Jewish,.... period end of sentence. There is no need to make the distinction, in fact it's actually its considered inappropriate to do so.

Please enlighten me, so that I may understand on what grounds you find it necessary to distinguish the "Convert" from the "Jewish Nation People. Thank you

Gershom, May 15, 2019 7:59 PM

First - Congratulations - ......

Lisa - First - Congratulations - on your quest - to become a member of the Jewish Nation.
I add the term Converts - because - it's the translated term of "GER" in the Torah. Where - it's certainly not used - in a derogatory way. **In-Fact - G-D specifically used it in the Torah - to ensure that - the "GER"/Convert - is recognized - as a "SPECIAL PERSON" - by all of Judaism**. You are correct in that - the rabbi's teach that - once a person converts - they are considered - as a Jew - forever. Which UNFORTUNATELY - is not always the case - in all of Judaism. Which I base on - personal knowledge and experience - from behind closed door conversations - so to speak. There are mixed reactions - when Jews - are reminded of this.

I use it - because in counseling - and the outreach I've done. **There are some - VERY BITTER NON-JEWS - who've tried to convert to Judaism - and became very angry - and in some cases - ANTI-SEMITIC - because of how they were rejected - by some of the rabbis - based on the rabbinic idea that - the convert - needs to be - STRONGLY REJECTED 3 TIMES**. According to them - it will help prevent - a return - to their former practices.
I have tried to explain to the Non-Jew - the rationale to that. Occasionally - with success - and a renewed interest - in becoming Jewish. Others - not so much - the anger - went too deep.

I also use it - to hopefully enlighten - and make the many Non-Jews - who may be considering becoming Jews. And - who may visit - here on Aish - AWARE to the fact that - they need not feel they don't have what it takes - feel left out - or Jealous of the Covenant ETC., - G-D gave to the Jewish Nation. Which is true - in some cases. And they too - can ACCEPT G-D's Torah Commandments and Laws - and - become entitled to all the provisions - and protections - G-D gave to us - at Har Sinai.

Lisa USA, May 17, 2019 4:31 AM

Thank you Gershom!!

Anonymous, May 18, 2019 2:32 PM

Abraham / Sarah and ruth

remember ruths famous response to her mother in law..
Abraham father made and sold idols and yet he was converted to anew faith

(18) Reuven Frank, May 15, 2019 5:39 PM

Yes.

We need to be able to see where it happened.
It's a shame but it won't be long before there are no more actual survivors.
The places will have to serve as reminders.

I just want to say one thing here.
I heard from someone who was at the gates of one of the camps.
The Germans had put up a sign saying:
"Forgive, but Never Forget."
I just wanted to say that
it is not our place to forgive,...ever.

Reuven Frank, May 16, 2019 10:14 AM

No, they should not refrain. Yes, they should visit.

Sorry.
I didn't catch the wording of the question.

(17) Tony, May 15, 2019 5:16 PM

No...

Why? It is a reminder of what mankind is capable of.

(16) Anne, May 15, 2019 4:06 PM

No. Jews should not refrain from visiting Poland. Refraining from visiting would be like ocean waves slowly washing away a sand castle - softening what happened until it would mean very little or nothing. Every generation should be aware of the gravity of what happened, and carry with them the urgency to prevent it from recurring.

(15) Sarah, May 15, 2019 10:47 AM

Never!

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(14) Mwansa Kaluba, May 15, 2019 10:20 AM

No

They should continue visiting. That's where their beloved ones suffered and lost their lives

(13) Anonymous, May 15, 2019 5:20 AM

jewish people should continue going to auchwitz for ever. In droves. Just buy very few items in poland. Add nothing to their economy.

(12) Judy R., May 15, 2019 2:36 AM

about visiting Poland

My mother(of blessed memory) said she would never go back to Poland because Poland is soaked through with Jewish blood(also a lot of Europe has the same problem too) there is a ironic twist about Auschwitz it used to be called something else in Polish and here is the ironic part this piece of land used to be owned by Jews (I read this fact some place) Poland does not pay for what they stole from the Jews and if you say anything they will be very angry at you now they won't let some Israeli come to Poland Poland used to Anti-Semitic and it still is(only Jews in big cities admit to being Jews other Jews in small town hide the fact that they are Jews)the funny and sad part is Jews lived in Poland for 500 years or more and helped the economy and in the end the Non-Jews have a problem with the Jewish population it happened in different places in the Jewish people's exile even if we want to go home to the land of Israel(some other people claim our land that belonged to the Jews for 3000 years more or less)it is not only Poland but all of the world has a problem with Jews and the Land of Israel and it is very upsetting and scary to see this happen Hashem should redeem us from all the bad things happening to Jews now and the situation in Israel it is very sad fact this is happening again after the Holocaust the world should be ashamed of itself and change their ways before the war(s) that the prophets predict come true and nobody knows how close it is when will the vile and evil disease of hating Jews and Israel be cured maybe when the messiah comes to take us out of exile until then who knows what is around the corner I wish there was a happier situation but it there isn't I hope Hashem protects us and keeps us safe the people of Israel live and Never Again from a child of a Holocaust Survivor

Shoshanna USA, May 15, 2019 11:58 AM

Returning

First hand knowledge. Some of us are returning to Poland to open businesses and factories. Chabad is also in Poland. Never forget the past, but live in the present.

(11) Elizabeth Boriszek, May 15, 2019 2:19 AM

If they so choose

Yes if they choose to do so. It can be a deep touching experience and deepen the reality of that part of history. It is a part of Jewish history ere a very dark and sad part. As a non jew I find it touching and worth the time to visit places like the Holocaust Museum in Wash. D. C.

(10) Anonymous, May 14, 2019 11:57 PM

POLAND

That would be a personal choice but I would not need to see it to NEVER FORGET what was done there.

(9) Shoshanna USA, May 14, 2019 10:35 PM

Maybe

It's a personal choice to visit or not visit Poland. I traveled alone and had no problems

(8) Benjamin Feingold, May 14, 2019 5:18 PM

I think the entire Poland should sink into the earth and never be seen again

The Pollocks are Jew haters from way back. Today's crop is no better than before.
Let them all sink deep into the earth and never be seen again.

Shoshanna USA, May 15, 2019 12:19 AM

What?

Benjamin:
Will continued hatred, get us anywhere positive?

Gershom, May 15, 2019 11:57 AM

SEE - how G-D - and or forefathers - ......

Shoshannah - Read - study and LEARN - what the Torah - that G-D gave us - says to do.
SEE - how G-D - and our forefathers - who had the courage - and faith in G-D -handled similar situations - and what was done to our enemies - and WHY.

We can also learn - what separates us - from the hatred - and or taking revenge - on our own is.

I think you'll find that - YES - we're angry and hateful - for what's been done to us. But - it's not JUST out of hatred - that occurs - when we respond.
So that - we're not acting too hastily. FIRST - **we need to seek the answer(s) from G-D - and follow what HE SAYS**. It may be that G-D chooses **HIS DIVINE RETRIBUTION - by G-D's COMMAND**. And - it will be what G-D tells us to do - and how we are to respond - to what our enemies have done to us - that we are to follow - OBEDIENTLY.

Then - ask the same question.

Shoshannah USA, May 15, 2019 12:12 PM

Thank you

Gershom:
Thank you for the fresh perspective. For decades, I was consumed by the Holocaust nightmare. I couldn't get past 1945 in my head. However, hatred was not one of my responses. Baruch HaShem guided me differently. Where in Torah does it say that He himself produces human hatred?

Anonymous, May 15, 2019 2:20 PM

We are in Exile

I see many times here on Aish where people post about Malek, as if we could know those things, now, without prophecy, in referencing our forefathers and who is Malek. This does not apply now. During the Seder we sing, that in every generation there are those that rise up against us, and we see this as a reminder to return to HaShem.

The hate must stop - we need to focus on bringing light, through Mitzvot, and sanctifying HaShem's name with our actions; this is Kiddush HaShem, the mitzvah of our time.

I respectfully, but vehemently disagree with some posts that speak of hatred and retribution. Daven, and have Emunah, and complete trust that HaShem is in control.

Gershom, May 15, 2019 3:29 PM

**the Commandment of G-D - to destroy AMALEK - FOREVER ...... Part - 1

Anonymous - You've used the word - MALEK. In the Torah - it's actually Amalek -whom G-D - Commanded that FOREVER - we must destroy AMALEK.
So - **the Commandment of G-D - to destroy AMALEK - FOREVER - is just as VALID NOW - as it was - WHEN G-D - GAVE THE COMMAND**.
**WE -THE JEWISH NATION PEOPLE AND CONVERTS - OR OTHERS. DO NOT HAVE THE OPTION - TO IGNORE - OR DISOBEY - A COMMAND - THAT G-D GAVE - ACCORDING TO OUR OWN - LIKES OR DISLIKES**.

OR - are you suggesting that - G-D - MAY BE - OR HAVE BEEN SENILE - AND WAS JUST TALKING - TO HEAR HIMSELF TALK - WHEN - HE - GAVE US THE TORAH COMMANDMENTS LAWS AND MITZVOT?

You're right though - in that - according to what we know now. We cannot be sure - WHOM AMALEKITES ARE. UNLESS - as suggested in the Hagadah - and the TORAH - that ALL THOSE WHO RISE AGAINST US - ARE PART OF THE AMELAKITE FAMILY. ...... in Part - 2

Gershom, May 15, 2019 3:32 PM

**the Commandment of G-D - to destroy AMALEK - FOREVER ...... Part - 2

Anonymous - continued from Part - 1.

It's not a matter of hate - that needs to stop.
It's a matter of - US - THE JEWISH NATION PEOPLE AND CONVERTS -ACCEPTING AND KEEPING G-D'S TORAH COMMANDMENTS AND LAWS - OBEDIENTLY - PERIOD!! THAT - ACCOMPLISHES - AND IS AS YOU STATE: "we need to focus on bringing light, through Mitzvot, and sanctifying HaShem's name with our actions; this is Kiddush HaShem, the mitzvah of our time.".
AND REMEMBER - "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."~ George Santayana, Ph.D. Harvard University; Cambridge, MA, USA

(P.S.: Sourced from the walls of Auschwitz)

And YES - as you say - "Daven, and have Emunah, and complete trust that HaShem is in control." - IS AN ABSOLUTE - MUST - PERIOD!! AS WELL AS - LISTEN TO WHAT - HE TELLS US TO DO. THEN OBEDIENTLY - OBEDIENTLY - KEEP - HIS - TORAH COMMANDMENTS AND LAWS - WITH COMPLETE EMUNAH - AND LOVE FOR HIM. WE - MUST PUT AWAY - OUR OWN - SCRIPT OF HOW G-D SHOULD DO THINGS.

And when you ask G-D for - and you get an answer(s) - to a prayer(s).
Don’t respond with: Look - G-D -- Don’t try to confuse me - with facts - I don’t like.
That’s - not the answer - I - want to hear.
I’ve already - got my mind made up.
So - try Again. (Until You get it right - my way).

Shoshanna USA, May 16, 2019 4:17 PM

Chabad

The Chabad Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson taught us to bring more light into the world through mitzvot.

Anonymous, May 17, 2019 9:19 AM

Love, love Chabad

Thank you for mentioning it. Every Jew, regardless of denomination, political party is always welcome and embraced. One mitzvah at a time, and nourishing the Soul at the forefront. Every City I have ever been in, I have attended the local Chabad House. I understand a Jewish president of her university's chapter of Student's for Justice in Palestine attends her local Chabad - and she is welcome. Unconditional love heals... and bringing light dispels darkness. Tremendous and beautiful movement !

Gershom, May 17, 2019 11:29 AM

AND IT IS!!

Anonymous - I'd like to point out that - your comment: "Unconditional love heals... and bringing light dispels darkness. Tremendous and beautiful movement !".
It's a nice thoughtful saying.
And You - make it sound - so PROFOUNDLY NAIEVE a CONCEPT. AND - SO SIMPLE to do. A REAL PANACEA of JOY - and GOOD TIMES. Always - warm - fuzzy - homey - and chummy.

AND - IT IS!!

**WHEN - you're in a SAFE - HOMEY - ENVIRONMENT - LIKE CHABAD. THEN - UNCONDITIONAL LOVE IS EASILY SHOWN**. Chabad - is a good place to go - as it's sort of like FAMILY.
G-D willing - it will always be that way.

However - **THE RESPONSE IN THE REAL WORLD** - Predominately - right now - in the Arab/Muslim world. You have to **BE REALLY - REALLY CAREFUL**!! **BECAUSE - AS - has been shown BY THE NUMBERS - historically - and recently - all over the world. THE SAME CAN'T BE SAID - WHEN IN A HOSTILE - WE'RE GOING TO KILL YOU - NO MATTER HOW MUCH LOVE - YOU SHOW US ENVIRONMENT!!**.

And many people - including a lot of Jews - Xtians and others - have found out the hard way - because they trusted that love overcomes all - and felt - they can overcome the hatred towards us - with warm and fuzzy love. There is no need - to react defensively - or negatively.
However - many have ended up - paying with their lives. By not being judiciously prepared - in a HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT.

Anonymous, May 17, 2019 12:57 PM

Hello Gershom

I understand your points. Thank you. Did you know that recently in the U.S. a Chabad House in Poway, was targeted by a white supremacist and a lovely woman, a true Eshes Chayil was murdered. This happened 6 months to the day that another attack took place in Pittsburgh killing 11 Jews at Prayer. Rabbi Goldstein spoke after the surgery on his hand of bringing light to the darkness to combat evil, through acts of unconditional love and kindness, more Mitzvot. This is a central teaching of the Rebbe. I was responding to another poster who referenced Chabad.

I am not naive, Gershom, I understand security is needed, congregants with concealed weapons to protect are needed. I lost loved ones in the Shoah, I was raised in a Frum family. You have misinterpreted my meaning more than once and then Aish has blocked my responses to explain. I won't respond on the question of the day again, since it seems to upset you, and you do not follow my meaning easily. No harm intended, all best to you. B'Shalom...

Gershom, May 17, 2019 3:55 PM

**PLEASE - by ALL MEANS - ......

Anonymous - FIRST - IF I have not understood you correctly - MY APOLOGIES - when I do not understand what you've meant.. Please consider that - without any clarification. I respond to you - and others - as I understand - what they've said.

And - not knowing you personally - PLEASE consider that - I may not be able to have grasped - how you express yourself - and what you meant - by how you said it. I sometimes - have the same problem from others.
Or - that I imply that - you yourself - are NAIVE - especially in regard to - security issues. I was specifically - referring to the statement ET AL - implying - love conquers all.
Because - elsewhere - as well. Including incidents - here in Israel. Where innocent people - who felt like - your comment expressed. In NAIEVETE' - and - with good intentions - were LURED TO THEIR DEATHS - by ARABS.

Second - **PLEASE - by ALL MEANS - DO NOT - AVOID COMMENTING to - or on the daily question(s). YOU - also have - a RIGHT TO YOUR OPINION**. Whether or not - I and or others - disagree. Rememer though - that we - are free to comment on - what we think we understand - what you’ve said.

May I suggest that - what some counselors teach. IF - your finding that - I - or others - don’t understand - what you meant - by what you said. Think about - learning how to put on paper - what you actually mean.

OH ABSOLUTELY - I am FULLY AWARE - of what has happened - in Pa. and Poway. As well as - where there are other attacks on Jews - like the recent one in Sweden - on a rabbis wife.
I’ve also read - what rabbi Goldberg - of Poway - has spoken and written about - regarding the attack in his Synagogue.

Don’t feel like the Lone Ranger. I also - have been - PC CENSORED - when I have responded - on an issue(s).

May G-D - keep on blessing you - with His favor - mercy and kindness.

Anonymous, May 17, 2019 10:43 PM

Thank You !

And, may HaShem bless you, as well. Looking forward to reading more of your posts. Good Shabbos !

(7) David E Kamins, May 14, 2019 4:04 PM

Making friends should be our goal, not perpetuating bad feelings about horrible events.

Would the world be a better place if we Jews boycotted Poland and denied our history there? Would the Jews be better off? Throughout history (the way I learned it) Jews have alternated between being friends with and enemies of various nations and the populations of those countries. The Jews are still here.
Let us not forget the help and support we got from many Poles who helped Jews escape the Holocaust. Let us attempt to convince people and countries that Jews and Israel are worthy to be friends with instead of doing things that will only perpetuate bad feelings or worse.

Barbara, May 14, 2019 9:35 PM

Know your enemy!

When and where in our sojourn throughout the Diaspora have Jews been the active enemies of the nations? On the contrary, we generally brought great benefit in many fields of endeavor to the host countries where we lived until they chased us out or did worse!
Don't forget the halachah that Esav hates Yaakov.

Just for the record, who are the "many" Poles you mention that helped Jews during the Holocaust? Although they were defeated by the Germans, the great majority of Poles became the Nazis' allies by reporting Jews' hiding places. The statistics about Poles killing survivors who returned to reclaim their possessions far outnumbers those who aided them.

Is there a basis for friendship here? It's a tribute to our chinuch if we can remain civil when dealing with the descendants of our mortal enemies who were fed anti-Semitism from infancy. May we soon be privileged to see how the only One who can avenge the deaths of our Kedoshim, does so.

Shoshanna USA, May 14, 2019 10:41 PM

Aware?

Are you aware that between 1946-1948, the Polish government had a military team that went after Nazi collaborators that turned in Jews?

Barbara, May 15, 2019 8:31 AM

Call me cynical

How kind of them to yield to international pressure! (BTW, you're surely aware that not all the "history" we read and learn is necessarily completely factual, nor does it always tell the whole (unadulterated) story.)

Shoshanna USA, May 15, 2019 11:45 AM

First Hand

Barbara:
I know this fact from a partisan who was part of this covert operation. He is Jewish.

Barbara, May 15, 2019 1:44 PM

Amazing

He's a rare individual to be able to live as a Jew among the Poles! My family knew someone who was trapped there for some time and barely made it out alive.

In any case, my parents, a"h, were Holocaust survivors from Poland. Among their many experiences, only one Pole demonstrated that he had a soul. But his relative killed my uncle, Hy"d when he had the "chutzpah" to take food from his own garden for his starving family on the run./ (The Pole had simply taken over my uncle's property.)
And how can we find a redeeming point for our enemies when it's well-known that broken survivors who returned to their former homes after the war as shadows of their former selves; were killed if they dared approach their former neighbors to discuss the rightful return of their property.

Granted that those Poles who assisted Jews at risk to themselves are noble human beings, and we Jews know how to show our gratitude. However, these few individuals were the exception to the rule: most Poles were either actively or indirectly responsible for the genocide started by the Nazis.

Chani, May 16, 2019 1:13 PM

Call me cynical

You're cynical

Barbara, May 16, 2019 4:11 PM

Sometimes one needs to be (cynical).

And this is one of those times.

Glenda Urmacher, May 15, 2019 12:54 AM

Poland- Home or Hell

I am not interested in making the world a better place, if it means going to Poland.
Both my paternal great grandparents were murdered there before WW11, as they were going blind from cataracts. They put there only son at 12 years of age on a ship to New York, where he knew no one, nor the language.
He sold himself as an indentured servant to a tailor for 7 years to learn a trade. He was beaten, starved, but survived.
His parents never saw their murderers,but they had to be neighbors, as their farm was taken, along with their meager possessions.
My husband's family was killed during WW11 and all their real estate holdings, businesses, apartments, etc were taken by their lovely Catholic neighbors as well.
The population of Poland can all rot in hell.
And not enough Poles helped some Jews to survive. They paid a price to survive, but 3.5 million who died because they couldn't find enough decent Poles, nor did they have the resources to buy their lives, and that of their 2.5 million children.

(6) Batya, May 14, 2019 3:27 PM

Exercise in Futility

As others have commented, there is no point in visiting the former concentration camps because what's now there is a mere empty facade, so the trip is worse than meaningless. Jews, especially those whose parents or grandparents survived the Nazi atrocities, KNOW that the Holocaust happened. There are plenty of testimonies from non-Jews who suffered through this period also.
We have enough reminders of anti-Semitism in the current news to ensure we will unfortunately NOT forget, so that "Lest we forget" is an invalid argument.

Students have often testified that the atmosphere generated by many visiting (mostly high school) groups is indeed totally off-base; even if one may be inclined to explain that the inappropriate behavior is just some teenagers' way of dealing with their dismay, it's nevertheless very disturbing that this happens there -- a most unfitting way to honor those who died al kiddush Hashem.

Finally, the irony of enriching an accursed, lying, thieving and murderous nation like Poland -- no less a vicious enemy of the Jews than the bestial German Nazis -- is too much to bear!
instead, do a mitzvah and donate the money you'd spend on the trip to a worthy cause in the merit of the Kedoshim who perished, very many at the hands of the Poles themselves.

(5) Alan Ira Silver, May 14, 2019 2:45 PM

How do you continuously support a villainous country & putrid people?

To honor the holy souls that died Al Kiddush HaShem in all the camps, I would NOT spend any money traveling to, staying in a hotel, supporting the villainous country and its equally putrid people who continually deny that they were active participants in the disclosure of the hiding places & slaughter of our people in WWII. These same monster people & government refuse to return property & possessions that can be proven to belong to those that have B"H returned from the Hell hole known as the Holocaust. They don't want to pay any reparations to the camp survivors. If people want to pay their respects, let them visit Yad Vashem and then Har Herzl to the Holy Neshamot of our IDF soldiers who died Al Kiddush HaShem protecting Eretz HaKedosha. Many of these same soldiers are sons & daughters of Holocaust returnees. Rav Shlomo Zalmen Auerbach, ztk"l said instead of running up to the Galil to the Kivrei Tzadikim one can equally visit the Tzadikim on Har Herzl. STOP SUPPORTING A HATEFUL COUNTRY BY PROVIDING IT WITH MORE TOURISM AS THEY DON'T DESERVE IT.

(4) Roger De Freitas, May 14, 2019 2:02 PM

Mixed feeling about visiting Auschwitz

I visited Auschwitz, at times people looked as though they were visiting Disney World. Hence my mixed feelings. If we do no go it would become rumble and by going it might lend to the Disney behaviour.

(3) Raymond, May 14, 2019 1:22 PM

Those Who Forget the Past

Am I missing something here? Because I do not even understand the question. Why would anybody advise Jews to not visit the nazi concentration camps in Poland? Or maybe I DO understand the question, but find such an idea quite an outrageously insulting one, as I suspect that underlying purpose of telling Jews to not visit those camps, is to tell Jews to forget about the Holocaust altogether.

Now, I personally would never visit Poland for ANY reason, because frankly I would be terrified that they might ship me to Auschwitz even now, but that is quite different than essentially telling us Jews to get over the fact that the world so gleefully participated, either by direct participation or their tacit approval, in the cruel slaughter of more than six million innocent Jewish lives. So no, if the world wants us to forget the Holocaust, perhaps they should not have so sadistically murdered our Jewish people in the first place.

Shoshanna USA, May 15, 2019 12:03 AM

Camps

Raymond,
I hear where your coming from. I went to Poland in order to conduct Holocaust research and literally stayed at the camp. Yes, it was very strange. Nothing bad happened to me. No problems were encountered.

Burt Sharf, May 16, 2019 6:19 PM

Forget Hell

If we don't go, who will? Lest we forget, who will tell? Would you want to be the one to close the door for all the world see? One grandmother was from Poland - I was too young to talk with her and understand. With no-one visiting, the Poles will tear it down. (or build over a graveyard). We cannot escape the facts of the Shoah.

(2) Gershom, May 14, 2019 11:29 AM

Unless - there is a reasonable threat ......

Do I think - Jews should refrain from visiting the camps in Poland?

I've been to camps.

Unless - there is a reasonable threat to one's life - by visiting these sites - at any given time. **There is absolutely no reason - not to go - LEST WE FORGET** - and remembering that - it's not just a slogan - NEVER AGAIN!!!
Just - as has been posted here on Aish: - "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
~ George Santayana, Ph.D. Harvard University; Cambridge, MA, USA

(P.S.: Sourced from the walls of Auschwitz)

For those who still feel fearful - consider that - so much of area in - and around the sites - has been sort of SANITIZED - from the actual physical evidence - that was left behind. To make the site - a bit less threatening - for those who might find it - a bit too intimidating - and an overwhelming experience.
Yet - for many - we can experience - some of the feeling of the spiritual presence - is still there. Along with - some of the physical artifacts - and photo imagery - that has been erected - that will hopefully give the visitor - a very distinct image of what actually transpired at each site.

Again - YES - Jews should go to these sites. We should remember that - you can run from - but can't hide that - you're a JEW. It can help serve to remind us - of our tenuous ways - among the nations. And it will help commit us - to join together - Keep G-D's Torah Commandments and Laws. SO THAT - we can know that - there will be - a NEVER AGAIN MOMENT IN OUR LIVES - OR THAT OF OUR CHILDREN.

Whether it be camps in Poland - or elsewhere. It can also help to serve as a reminder - to those people - that - YES - it occurred - HERE - in your land.
And hopefully - it will also give these people - the desire and will - that they will also say - NEVER AGAIN - especially in OUR LAND!!!

Anonymous, May 15, 2019 12:10 AM

Excellent

Gershom,
What a wonderful sane educated reply. Thank you.

Anonymous, May 15, 2019 8:45 AM

Another perspective

Though Gershom makes some valid points, his comment does not relate to the fact, as others have pointed out, that these sites have been "adjusted" for public viewing, and what occurs there too often -- improper behavior on the part of visitors, whoever they may be, is unconditionally inappropriate -- is certainly not an honor to those who perished al Kiddush Hashem.

Jews are not in danger of forgetting; recent deadly displays of anti-Semitism make that very clear. Rather than enriching our ancestors' tormentors (most Poles weren't innocent bystanders; quite the contrary!), make a donation to a worthy cause in the merit of the victims.

Shoshanna USA, May 15, 2019 11:52 AM

Donations

Hi! I like the idea of making a donation in memory of someone or an event. Also, why not check out Yad Vashem's register of the righteous among nations? It includes people from Poland.

Gershom, May 15, 2019 4:06 PM

Take another look at - what I originally wrote. Please note that ......

Anonymous - may I ask that - you take another look at - what I originally wrote.
As you said in your response: **"Though Gershom makes some valid points, his comment does not relate to the fact, as others have pointed out, that these sites have been "adjusted" for public viewing**, and what occurs there too often -- improper behavior on the part of visitors, whoever they may be, is unconditionally inappropriate -- is certainly not an honor to those who perished al Kiddush Hashem.

Please note that - I stated that: "**consider that - so much of area in - and around the sites - has been sort of SANITIZED - from the actual physical evidence - that was left behind. To make the site - a bit less threatening - for those who might find it - a bit too intimidating - and an overwhelming experience**.".

My use of the words "**SANITIZED - from the actual physical evidence - that was left behind. To make the site - a bit less threatening - for those who might find it - a bit too intimidating - and an overwhelming experience. - etc..**".
Strongly implies - that the site(s) - have been - "adjusted" (the term you used).

Unfortunately - I disagree with you - that Jews - are not in danger of forgetting. As I KNOW FROM MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE - there are tons of assimilated and very secular Jews - who either unintentionally/intentionally have not learned about the SHOAH - have had the Shoah - significantly - PLAYED DOWN - or refuted to them. **There are even those - who were subjected to the Shoah. Who have not taught their children they were Jews - as they don't want to expose their children to - things that may cause them psychological trauma**. ERGO: the Shoah - is losing its significance - among many Jews.

Gershom, May 15, 2019 4:20 PM

Also BTW ...... revising history of the Shoah ......

On the recent news outlets. Congresswoman - Tlaib - OPENLY AND CLEARLY STATED THAT: THE PALESTINIANS - OFFERED - AND MADE SIGNIFICANT SUPPORT TO THE JEWS AFTER THE SHOAH!!!

She forgot that - the use of the Term PALESTINIAN - for the ARABS - was unknown at the time.
She also forgot that - many of the ARAB LEADERS - She claims we're Palestinians - worked - HAND IN GLOVE - WITH THE NAZIS DURING WW-II - TRYING TO DESTROY THE JEWS - AND THEIR RETURN - TO THE JEWISH HOMELAND.

SHE - AND THE OTHER MUSLIMS - NOW IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT - ARE USING THEIR POSITION - TO REVISE - THE HISTORY OF WW-II - AND ESPECIALLY - THE SHOAH.

(1) Abbe Chava Staub, May 14, 2019 11:12 AM

Visit

I thought it was made illegal to mention poland's participation in the Shoah.....I think if your family lived there or died there you should be allowed to visit.

 

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