I was with a group of mothers the other day when the conversation deteriorated into one of their most favorite and my least favorite topics -- husband bashing.
“They don’t do enough around the house.” (Despite the recent Wall Street Journal article that suggests that men do a lot more than their wives believe they do!)
“They don’t return kindness with kindness.”
“They just walk out and leave me with all the work.” While there may certainly be situations where this is true and cause for legitimate complaints, most women in the group acknowledged that their husbands aren’t really the primary cause of their dissatisfaction.
What is?
All of these women had chosen to be stay-at-home moms, yet they all felt resentful when their husbands “escaped” to their offices (where presumably they do nothing all day), leaving them with dirty dishes (wait -- doesn’t their housekeeper do those?), dirty diapers, screaming children -- and a long, lonely day. Now that the pendulum has swung backwards and more women are choosing the option of full-time parenting, no one’s talking about one of the most serious drawbacks -- the loneliness.
Even the brightest three-year-old can only keep you stimulated for a limited time. The days are long, they are frequently unstructured (or conversely too structured), they are demanding physically -- and they are ultimately lonely.
As many times as you can get together with other moms, there are still the hours at home -- meal times, nap times, play times, and even schlep on errands times -- where it’s just you and them. So we’re tired at the end of the day. It’s been physically draining. But the emotional drain and loneliness takes its psychic toll as well. This is not our husbands’ faults. They didn’t force us into this position. It just goes with the territory. And our marriages we will be better if we understand the real source of our discontent. Then we can begin to look for solutions. I know there are book groups (but no one asked me to join!). Perhaps we could have some with meatier topics (no more Oprah survivor of abuse tales)… perhaps some Jewish book groups.
The idea of consciousness-raising per se was not a bad idea. But I’m not sure it was successful. It really needs that spiritual component…Learning Torah is always a great path to deeper thought and relationships – among women, among spouses. I know -- it’s so hard to find the time, the babysitter (it may be expensive but it’s cheaper than marriage therapy!).
We are capable, thoughtful women; we can find solutions to this problem. Let's stop taking the easy way out; let's stop blaming our husbands. (I know -- I’ve spoiled all the fun!)
(25) Shannon, March 31, 2017 1:09 AM
I wish I could!
Stay at home mom and that's ALL I have to do???Hubby can go to work alllllll day!
(24) Bobby5000, February 24, 2014 5:42 PM
Help solve problems but be constructive
If you want a husband to change behavior, don't begin with criticism. Instead make a suggestion and explain how it would help you. Discuss solutions, don't express frustration.
Understand the dynamics. Would you want a doctor who was watching his son's baseball game instead of reading the newest literature about your condition, a stock broker who liked time off. Jobs are hard and if you want the fancier house, or sometimes even to stay above water, men need to work hard. Saying you would accept a smaller house if he were home more is a solution, talking about a new kitchen and also his helping more with chores is a contradiction.
(23) Anonymous, January 17, 2013 9:31 PM
loneliness isn't caused by homestaying
Working out of the house doesn't free women from loneliness. Drifting apart from your husband does. If he comes home and you dread it,if the common grounds have dissolved,then sadness and dissatisfaction seep in. Think of women two centuries ago,they stayed home,but felt companionship.
(22) Kirsty, December 13, 2010 9:16 AM
Husband bashing
The trouble is to much thinking not enough action. Sitting at home rumanating is good for no one, man or woman . One has to simply push Ones self out and in to activity. period! It would also be more constructive to use thinking time to work out the source of dissatisfaction and a dress it.
(21) Susan, April 17, 2006 12:00 AM
Although I'm home during the day I do have a small business that is like a full time job even though my husband is the "bread winner" of the family its frustrating to feel like I'm one of his employees instead of an equal
ticked!!
(20) paul torney, October 28, 2005 12:00 AM
This is a gripe session. not husband bashing
Worst title I've ever seen. the title is "husband bashing" but the topic is why desperate housewives are so dissatisfied. (Mostly because women are never satisfied)
Husband bashing, like wife bashing, is when battered husbands are hauled into hospital with open woound's broken bones, and then tell the police that they fell off the roof while making repairs.
Wife bashing is when my sister did fall off the roof while makeing repairsand nobody believed that a woman was fixing the roof.
(19) Harvey b. Lyman, September 3, 2005 12:00 AM
thanks for being considerate and understanding
I tried my best but I guess it wasn't enough
(18) Katherine, August 19, 2005 12:00 AM
Is it really about lonliness?
Though this article hits on one aspect of lonliness as a part of husband bashing, but what about the appreciation? As a stay-at-home mom, lonliness isn't all that stands between me and my husband. Appreciation is also a big part. I can work my fingers to the bone with keeping the house clean, making sure the laundry is washed and put away, cooking the meals, doing the dishes, help in raising the children, etc... but do we as housewives hear words of gratitude? or do we see our husbands just plop in their chairs in front of a television set without an utterance? Does the home get distroyed after all that work we have done to it at the end of his day? Does he make you feel like your his live-in maid? What ways can a housewife receive the gratitude she so wants to hear?
(17) Paul James, July 27, 2005 12:00 AM
Very truthful article on husband bashing.
I read your article on husband bashing and I can't help but agree quite a bit. I am in the same situation as your article talks about. I work outside the home while my wife stays at home and runs a small daycare business.
My wife is very negative at times about all men, and unfortunately our three daughters are probably learning some of this negativity. However, I know my wife grew up in a bad family situation with a negative atmosphere. So I'm sure that that doesn't help her attitude. I know I'm not perfect (most men are not so arrogant that they wouldn't agree with this)and I know there is always room for improvement on my part. But, when your spouse is more negative than supportive this doesn't make it any easier. Women make mistakes too, and women must remember that as well.
So I would say what you say is mainly true, but there is always room for the man to try some to make things better for their wives if they can both discuss their problems and be fair minded. I do feel that women blame men far too much.
I think both spouses need to look seriously to the One who created us all for guidance in how to love, be patient, and forgive, and for the strength to face the difficulties of living in todays world.
(16) Diana, July 27, 2005 12:00 AM
Turnoff In Choosing Friends
I believe that husband bashing is not about the man ~ It's about a dissatisfaction about one's choice to be home with the kids or the helplessness which can be toxic when one does not realize the value of what she has chosen as well as her husbands' contributions. I have ended friendships based upon the husband bashing practiced with zeal by some women I know, while they enjoy the freedom of raising their children as they wish. When one values her own choices, she is free to see her husband's contribution to the marriage and home. Perhaps it would be as simple for them to reform their "bashing" as writing all the tasks of running their homes and lives out on paper(better in ink than in a word doc on the computer) and seeing who does what and then delineating what needs to be done by each for harmony to happen. When he and she know what they need to do, expectations are more easily met and Shalom restored. In truth, the biggest cause of discord is the frustration of expectations. Bashing of one's mate reveals much more about the "basher" than any fault of the "bashee".
(15) Anonymous, July 27, 2005 12:00 AM
hi! id like some articles about marriages, cchildrearing, and relationships with parents and inlaws. thank you.
(14) Keren, July 21, 2005 12:00 AM
I am glad some women are so conscious
I am really glad that someone is making sense out there. Marriage is tough and it is hard to share the responsibilities. We all fall into the mistake of thinking that the grass is greener on the other side. One of the ways to do so is to think that we have more to do, that we go through a harder time, that we are more tired, etc. But look at our men: they don't have half of the instincts and intuition that we have. Yet they have to care for all people their families consist of, they end up being sole bread-winners (if we choose to not go to the office and do nothing), they have to read our minds, and make sure that we are happy. It is a lot of pressure. Give them a break!
(13) Anonymous, July 20, 2005 12:00 AM
Beware
i have a friend who i am starting to distance myself from since all she does is Husband Bash. She has gotten so spoiled since she got married and i have seen how kind considerate and hard working her husband is. i noticed that when i would get off the phone with her i would automatically start thinking of my husband's slightest imperfections when i really know how special kind considerate caring and selfless he is. it doesnt take much to change a persons attitude so beware of hubby bashers and appreciate all that your husband is and does.
(12) joy, July 19, 2005 12:00 AM
Wife Bashing isn't cool either!
One thing that makes my staying home with my kids more "doable" is the fact that my husband doesn't "wife bash".
Many of the wives that you're referring to in your article are probably greeted at the end of the day with "why is the house still messy??? What did you do all day, anyway?"
Even many of the people who wrote comments here suggest that going to work is the solution for a wife's feelings of lonliness and purposelessness. I think that you can find meaning and purpose in all you do (yes, including laundry) and make it into something worthy of honor and respect. I don't think that women husband bash per se; it's more of a defense mechanism against all the people (other women included) who put them down for their choice to stay home. I will never forget meeting someone 6 weeks after having my 5th child. I hadn't seen her since high school and she asked me what I did. I told her, "I have 5 children; my baby is six weeks old..." and she cut me off with, "But I mean, what do you DO?"
It's comments like that from men and women that make you want to retaliate...and husbands are easy convenient targets for a woman's resentment. And it does go both ways- if he wants to be treated with respect, treat what your wife does with respect to! When I came home and tearfully told my husband what that woman had said, he said to me "Doesn't she realize that what you're doing is the most important job in the world? I work hard because I want you to be able to take care of the kids!" It's comments like that that will make me never husband bash!
(11) Sarah, July 18, 2005 12:00 AM
Count your blessings!
If your husband makes enough money for you to stay home with the kids, count your blessings! Many families struggle with 2 incomes to make ends meet - and a man who is not capable of fully sharing the cares of running the household. When I used my 10 day vacation this year for Pesach, it was a real vacation to have all day "only" cooking and cleaning for my 8 children and husband, rather than cramming all the housework into the late nights and early mornings before and after "work," while my husband has to cram his Torah learning into those same, insufficient hours. In the Aish article "Thank You!" Rabbi Pliskin recommends asking yourself any time, "What am I grateful for right now?" I find this is a great way to shift out of bitter or lonely thoughts. That said, women do need to strengthen ourselves with adult friendships and Torah learning. All day every day with the kids and the never-ending housework will build a lot of resentment and unhappiness. Getting out to a Torah class even once a week is a great help.
(10) Robert Goldman, July 17, 2005 12:00 AM
I have lost my marriage to a group of husband bashers
Before we moved to NJ my wife and i were fine (as fine as a young couple can be) and she met the club members out here and all down hill . I remember a friend making a negative comment in front of me and my wife about me and my wife saying nothing and later i asked why she did not, she replied I did not see anything wrong with what she said.We are now divorced .That was in 1994 today we are finalzing the divorce in 2005.
(9) Anonymous, July 17, 2005 12:00 AM
Solution
Start living near one set of grandparents that will be happy to give their daughter (in-law) a break by taking care of the child for a short time.
(8) Ruchie, July 17, 2005 12:00 AM
You're so right!
Your article was very timely as I recently had an epiphany regarding my husband's unhelpfullness. The fact that he is out there working 8-10 hours a day to be able to provide for the family -- THAT is help enough!!! I know it sounds somewhat sexist, but it really is not his duty to wash dishes or vacuum the carpet. He will always help with the children when I ask him to, but no, I really don't believe he has to much else. Maybe he's just a lucky guy to have gottena wife as understanding as me!
(7) Anonymous, July 17, 2005 12:00 AM
enjoyed
It is so ironic as I have just had this conversation with my newly married daughter-she wanted to understaned her role in life at this junction. We, as torah ladies, have to be careful not to fall into the trap of thinking worth is established and noted only if it is accompanied by a degree, even better if it is a higher degree. Creating a happy and healthy home really is the key to success and anyone who can establish this has the right answer to the right question. If such a woman can gain fulfillment too, they have the right recipe. Ladies, keep up the good work and raise your children (and husbands) in a happy atmosphere where torah, avodah/service and gemillus chasadim/ kindness are the focus and there is a large chance that you will get lots of nachas, as will our creator.
(6) Charlotte, July 17, 2005 12:00 AM
home and not alone
While I was a stay at home house-wife, I did a lot of house stuff as I saw it as my house. I got the leaks in the plumbing repaired.. met the plumbers, had the heating checked, met those guys, eventually had a new roof put on, new siding, got to know those guys, painting done.. actually met a bunch of painters, but then did the painting myself which was very gratifying, even if it took much longer as it had to be done during nap time or late at night. I was going to say, "but your solutions of meeting other moms encourages us to complain about our husbands because that's what we all have in common, that's what gives us the ability to be stay at home moms". Then I realized that you don't even have to be stuck at home with other moms. There is a huge community of house repair guys out there which I got to know because my husband was not one of them. He knows desk work.. I know house work!
(5) Rhonda, July 17, 2005 12:00 AM
good article
I am a stay at home mom. I can agree with this article. The long hours are not easy. Hubbies are not supposed to be bashed. They are not supposed to be mind readers. I find that if I ask my husband for help, and let him know I appreciate it when he does help, he helps out much more frequently.
Bashing doesn't help. It puts the woman in a critical mood, and inspires the man to feel attacked and on the defensive.
(4) David, July 17, 2005 12:00 AM
Maybe the problem is staying at home
I dont know why one very obvious thing is not mentioned here - maybe women nowadays are just not cut out for staying at home. An Idle mind is the devils playground as they say. In an age of cleaning help in the home and numerous time saving inventions, as well as one where the women were raised in a different environement and have different expectations of their lives and of their roles, maybe its time to rethink the wisdom of women not working (even part time or less). If the women would have something to do, as well as some responsibility and oppurtunity to feel accomplished outside of the family setting, there may be less trouble.
This is made even more compelling in light of educational statistics that show no correlation between a childs educational achievements and parents who stay home vs parents who work. It may very well be that the best thing for a women is to work a little - giving her time to "escape to the office" and feel like she isnt constantly with her kids.
(3) Margarita Sosa, July 17, 2005 12:00 AM
You may even kidd the Rabbi...but not your children!
These days a stay at home mommy is not by a long shot a random decision, there is always a list of home improvements,dream vacations,family members needing shoes, or visits to the dentist or eye doctor office or the ever wise advise to save more money for a an emergency or buying a lot at the cementery. More money is always needed, an extra incom would always seem like a blessing.
But we are stay at home mommies because we chose to look after our own offspring, (we are more concern,or at least we said we were when we decided to stay at home)than with our house appearance, more concern with their outlook in life that even with their eye sight ability.
But when you stay in your sleepers half a day and have the TV or radio on all day you are sending the undesired messagge to your little ones, you are telling them "That Mommy misses the out world", that you are escaping the sound of their play and voices.
You are setting them to choose a mate that finds a way of life much more intresting, challenging and worth bathing early and wearing nice shoes (instead of sleepers)every morning.
Staying at home was a decision made out of love, not out of economics, so if you are lososing your grip on your parent vision, humble yourself, aknoledge your mistakes, and seek the author of "parenting" for advice, read Torah, get excited by having the opportunity to lead a nation's path through your children.
Ask G-d to open your eyes to the miricle of life in a child's never tired small body, wondering mind and love hungry heart...The secret of life is better understood when you pour your life for the good of your child, teaching him early on what no one will care to teach him, not even cartoons or teachers, theaching them to be thankful, forgiving, helpful, joyful, wise, loving, truthful, persistant, hardworker...etc.
You might pick virtues to learn more about each week, but in reality each couple of minutes MOMMY needs to be alert and foucused on her heavenly calling to size the moment... the galaxy oppenings of understanding.
If you think it is hard work to teach a child to love Israel when he is 3 or 4 years old, try and convince a 77 prime minister to cherish each inch of the land G-d gave Israel.
Our job is extreemly important for the survival of the nation, do not allow the enemy of your soul to destroy Israel from with in, many palestinian suicide bombers have not been able to hurt jewish present homes and future prespective of The People of Israel as board, narrow sighted, lazy mommies have.
You might kidd your husband, or even the Rabbai, but not your kidds, in a few years they will become teenagers, and if home wasn't your daily pick for a fun day...it won't be a fun place for them to want to hung around, and even sader they won't pick a mate to resemble the torture home that they grew in.
You are on the right track if you have a fan club that covers your dinning table each night, and they wouldn't want to be anywhere else!
Make a list of desired activities (music,sports, crafts and language classes), a week day schedule for house shores and table games(cooking, sewing,reading)activities,set Torah reading priorities as well as prayer times and weekly good deed visits.
You don't half to hire a baby sitter, TRAIN YOUR CHILDREN AT HOME TO BEHAVE WELL IN THE CAR AND AT OTHER'S HOMES, Where are they going to learn to do good deeds, if they get to be baby sitted when you do it?
Read Mc Donald's manual, or Sam Walton's Biogrophy, Get enlighted!
See your family as an enterprisse sky high directed, more specificly HEAVEN GEARED!
See yourself as its CEO, Your husband as the main Chair holder, and your children as franchised prospectors in training...Israel's economy will thank you for generations to come!
Put on a happy face, G-d trusted you to MAKE IT!
Get ridd of any husband bashing friends for starters!
Love, Margarita
(2) michal, July 14, 2005 12:00 AM
we need a job!
I agree with you, complaining is not fair.But a book club just to keep you busy? In my opinion these women would be happier if they would work part-time. I see it on myself! Or engage a lot in volunter work- you have a life to do mitzwot, so take the chance! Besides, I don't believe children are happy with a mother who is at home but isn't happy.
(1) Annie, July 14, 2005 12:00 AM
Male-bashing is poor sport
Men go out to work in often dull, dangerous jobs so that women don't have to. I can never see that keeping house is anything like as arduous as working on a rubbish truck, in a coal mine, making roads or any of the other jobs that are almost exclusively men-only.
Some surveys that 'prove' how much women do & how little men do are so slanted as to be useless. In a minute I will have something in the oven (1 hour), a load of washing on ( 30 minutes) and be vacuuming the floors ( 20 minutes). One survey I saw ignored the fact that these things are simultaneous and added up the times-my cooking, washing & vacuuming would thus be almost 2 hours work instead of the less than 1 that it actually takes. I'm not doing the washing; the machine is !
I hate male-bashing; it makes women seem so malicious. I am now speaking against it more & more & encourage other women to do likewise. If men were the lazy, selfish bums that many women make them out to be, what does that make us idiots who marry them ?
Next time you see a rubbish truck, see how many women are on it.
As the article says, men don't force women into being mothers. They do, however, provide the means that allow women to make the choice. They literally give their lives for us; let's give these silent heroes their due.